Newbie 2019 | Game Over!

[ItalianoVD]

Alright so as I said there is my case and my defense. At this point it’s in the hands of the town. Whatever happens happens. If it comes to me I WILL flip green. In any event we will need a direction to go. I still have strong town vibes for TBone and Mini. Genius is an obvious town slot. And Shellyc, based off her L1 responses has me thinking town. Which leaves Porkens and Redados.

I could very well be wrong about Porkens, but I don’t believe I am.

[shellyc]

Hi. I'm not an expert on looking into ISO. However, I have tried my best to state everything about the Porkens - Micc/Word interactions.
But here are my thoughts:
- #208 "I feel like Micc is playing in a protown way, but of course I think he’s just being a good SE." (is this distancing? hesitant to put TR because of fear for partnership identification?)
- #247 NOTHING ABOUT MICC????? (very suspect, I feel like a good townsperson would analyse every player)
- #285 "What do you find particularly scummy about Micc?" the answer to my SR. Sounds like an SE trying to prove my Porkens read wrong? idk
- #288 "Micc-T It seemed jovial to me, like trying to engender fondness." when it was totally not "jovial" in my opinion
- #328 ?????? what do you mean don't see him giving up
- #363 "Micc I am not feeling at all." this again sounds like defending Micc.
- at #466 he put MiccWord second scummiest.
- #685 "I will take another look at word hat." what does this mean, putting him at null read when he's the biggest wagon...
- then he told us to give word a chance to speak?!

In conclusion I feel like a partner is plausible from Porkens' ISO. Both Italiano and Porkens are possible partners according to what I saw.

[shellyc]

I'd like to see Porkens interact with that defense, which I feel is legit after a quick-read.
UNVOTE: ItalianoVD

[ItalianoVD]

In conclusion I feel like a partner is plausible from Porkens' ISO. Both Italiano and Porkens are possible partners according to what I saw.

And that’s fair, but if I do get eliminated make sure you eliminate Porkens the next day. It would only be fair and consistent.

[shellyc]

Hmmmm. From my PoV one scum is between Italiano and Porkens.
If Italiano flips scum, game over.
If Italiano flips townie, we should elim Porkens, right

[shellyc]

Which leaves Porkens and Redados.

Why haven't you considered Redados as a possible candidate for suspect? How about the unlikely event that both Porkens and Italiano are town

[shellyc]

*And Redados is actually the scum

[shellyc]

Suggested direction: ItalianoVD -> Porkens -> Red -> T-Bone -> MiniMegabyte
I know I am town and Genius is locked town

[ItalianoVD]

Which leaves Porkens and Redados.

Why haven't you considered Redados as a possible candidate for suspect? How about the unlikely event that both Porkens and Italiano are town

This is a weird post. Did you mean to write this? Lol

[ItalianoVD]

Hmmmm. From my PoV one scum is between Italiano and Porkens.
If Italiano flips scum, game over.
When Italiano flips townie, we should elim Porkens, right

Fixed that for you.

[shellyc]

Which leaves Porkens and Redados.

Why haven't you considered Redados as a possible candidate for suspect? How about the unlikely event that both Porkens and Italiano are town

This is a weird post. Did you mean to write this? Lol

What do you mean weird

[ItalianoVD]

You quoted this:

Which leaves Porkens and Redados.

I had literally just said that I thought Redados was a suspect along with Porkens

That’s when you posted this.

Why haven't you considered Redados as a possible candidate for suspect? How about the unlikely event that both Porkens and Italiano are town

Do you see how I find that a weird post?

[Redados]

Which leaves Porkens and Redados.

Why haven't you considered Redados as a possible candidate for suspect? How about the unlikely event that both Porkens and Italiano are town

If I am scum then I am the worst scum partner ever because I would have literally killed my scum partner on the first day, which seems like a death sentence for scum. It wasn't bussing onto an inevitable wagon to clear me, I literally switched the lim from you to Word.

Sure, that could have been a super next level play but c'mon.

[Redados]

Statistically you shouldn't rule me out but I think that it's incredibly unlikely that I am scum.

[GeniusGamer]

Reading everything that’s happened, my preferred elimination order would be Porkens,

then

Italiano. Porkens’ argument left out a lot of info, and Italiano provided more evidence against Porkens while defending himself adequately.

VOTE: Porkens

I hope we get the right person today. It’d look really good on my résumé: “GeniusGamer outed as mason on first day of first newbie game; survives and wins”

[shellyc]

You quoted this:

Which leaves Porkens and Redados.

I had literally just said that I thought Redados was a suspect along with Porkens

That’s when you posted this.

Why haven't you considered Redados as a possible candidate for suspect? How about the unlikely event that both Porkens and Italiano are town

Do you see how I find that a weird post?

I didn't read your post before posting

[shellyc]

Yeah I look like a plagiariser, don't I.
Also I was trying to ask you to think in a different direction...

[T-Bone]

My ghost vote is on Porkens for the record, but we have plenty of time to interact before we flip him.

[shellyc]

I was more like trying to say:
Why are you so adamant on your case for Scum!Porkens, while this other Redados window is open

[GeniusGamer]

Wait, we’re at E-1 already? Geez. I knew I wasn’t hammering, but I thought there were more people. Huh.

I suppose we should let him talk before eliminating him though. Maybe he’ll come out with some incredible, eye opening argument that instantly changes everyone’s minds.

[Redados]

We're at L-1? That was fast.

VOTE: Unvote

Consider a ghost vote on Porkens though.

[T-Bone]

Wait, we’re at E-1 already? Geez. I knew I wasn’t hammering, but I thought there were more people. Huh.

I suppose we should let him talk before eliminating him though. Maybe he’ll come out with some incredible, eye opening argument that instantly changes everyone’s minds.

It's more about that we have a ton of time, and need to consider the possibility that he will flip town, so we have to then decide then what'? on Day 3.

You in particular, as confirmed town who is likely to die tonight, need to be diligent in using this time wisely to get all your thoughts out in this game.

[Redados]

Since there are no scum partners left in the game, anyone can "defend" anyone more freely, right? Without being accused of being scum partners with someone. So that will be nice.

Wait, we’re at E-1 already? Geez. I knew I wasn’t hammering, but I thought there were more people. Huh.

I suppose we should let him talk before eliminating him though. Maybe he’ll come out with some incredible, eye opening argument that instantly changes everyone’s minds.

It's more about that we have a ton of time, and need to consider the possibility that he will flip town, so we have to then decide then what'? on Day 3.

You in particular, as confirmed town who is likely to die tonight, need to be diligent in using this time wisely to get all your thoughts out in this game.

What good does flipping do? We've confirmed masons and killed the mafia roleblocker, so the only rolls left in the game are "Vanilla Townie" and "Mafia Goon". So we wait for Porkens to flip... Vanilla Townie? Are we hoping that he trips up and flips Mafia Goon on accident and shows his hand?

Not sure what good flipping does based on the rolls left. Maybe I am misunderstanding what "flip" means.

[GeniusGamer]

Not sure what good flipping does based on the rolls left. Maybe I am misunderstanding what "flip" means.

I don’t think flipping is really that helpful at this point. Porkens is either a vanilla townie or a mafia goon, like everybody except me. If they do flip town, I think Italiano could be scum. Lots of people (including me) brought up some very valid arguments that point to Italiano being scum.

[shellyc]

Flip = more about if hes town or scum