Newbie 2019 | Game Over!

[Redados]

I get it now, sorry for being snarky

[T-Bone]

Since there are no scum partners left in the game, anyone can "defend" anyone more freely, right? Without being accused of being scum partners with someone. So that will be nice.

Wait, we’re at E-1 already? Geez. I knew I wasn’t hammering, but I thought there were more people. Huh.

I suppose we should let him talk before eliminating him though. Maybe he’ll come out with some incredible, eye opening argument that instantly changes everyone’s minds.

It's more about that we have a ton of time, and need to consider the possibility that he will flip town, so we have to then decide then what'? on Day 3.

You in particular, as confirmed town who is likely to die tonight, need to be diligent in using this time wisely to get all your thoughts out in this game.

What good does flipping do? We've confirmed masons and killed the mafia roleblocker, so the only rolls left in the game are "Vanilla Townie" and "Mafia Goon". So we wait for Porkens to flip... Vanilla Townie? Are we hoping that he trips up and flips Mafia Goon on accident and shows his hand?

Not sure what good flipping does based on the rolls left. Maybe I am misunderstanding what "flip" means.

I'm saying, I think Porkens is most likely to be scum. If we flip him and I'm wrong, then the game continues. So in that respect preparing for a world in which we do not eliminate the right person is important. Can't put all the eggs in one basket.

[Porkens]

vote Italiano today and win the game right now.
Vote him tomorrow and win the game.
I’m fine either way.

But, I could be wrong, so let’s game it out a bit. It’s 6:1 now.

If you eliminate me today it’s 4:1 tomorrow - most likely with the following player list
T-Bone
Italiano
MM
Red
Shelly

If, at that point, you eliminate italiano, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO, the game will be over.

However, if I’m wrong, it’ll be 2:1 with three of (T-Bone, MM, Red, Shelly). So today, I’ll be focusing one these players.

[Redados]

Isn't that wrong? There is one scum left, isn't days to lim the same regardless of who we lim first?

Also, I'm starting to have doubts about the NKA. Couldn't Word321 have just daytalked and chosen the lim by proxy before getting limmed?

[Porkens]

I’m not sure what you mean exactly.

[T-Bone]

I think you're both misunderstanding the analysis of the nightkill I did, and over estimating its importance. It's not that important.

[GeniusGamer]

I think you're both misunderstanding the analysis of the nightkill I did.

You could have phrased that better. It could be interpreted as you saying that you did the night kill.

[Porkens]

T-Bone, do you think Italiano’s defense and counter case are genuine?

[Redados]

I think you're both misunderstanding the analysis of the nightkill I did.

You could have phrased that better. It could be interpreted as you saying that you did the night kill.

Hahahaha SCUMSLIP

I’m not sure what you mean exactly.

I went back and re-read what you wrote. I thought you were saying we have to lim Italiano tomorrow or we lose. I see that you're saying that we have to lim Italiano tomorrow just because it's the best play. Sorry for the mix up!

[Porkens]

Gotcha.

[Redados]

@GeorgeBailey

It looks like the timer on Day Two is set for 10 days. Is that accurate? Not complaining that we have extra time, just noting that it doesn't match the rules (10 day Day 1, 7 day subsequent days)

Fixed! Thanks for telling me -Gb

[GeniusGamer]

Oh yeah, we should have less time.

I’m totally not mad that we’re getting less time now

[T-Bone]

T-Bone, do you think Italiano’s defense and counter case are genuine?

I think Italiano has town told enough that I don't think he could fake it.

[Porkens]

Interesting. So aside from me who your pick for likeliest partner?

[Redados]

I read T-Bone's game Newbie 1911. Hmm. So I have a couple thoughts:

1) This is an interesting read: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... t_Charisma

2) In the game I read, T-Bone was scum. The way he argued was pretty different to this game. The way he posted was pretty different to this game. Based on the differences, I am reading T-Bone as town this game.

I still would like to lim Porkens.

[Redados]

I do want to add the caveat that T-Bone was pushed more in that game than he has been in this game. So it's not a 100% match.

[T-Bone]

I wanna let you know that I am too good for meta. I am actually town here, but don't ever let me get away with a meta read in future games.

[shellyc]

However, if I’m wrong, it’ll be 2:1 with three of (T-Bone, MM, Red, Shelly). So today, I’ll be focusing one these players.

What do you mean by "focus"

[shellyc]

Interesting. So aside from me who your pick for likeliest partner?

Italiano is as likely as Porkens to be the partner in my opinion and analysis, from ISO.
Therefore, the best play for us here is to eliminate both.

[Porkens]

So I really think Italiano is the last scum. But public opinion seems to be against me so I may be the elimination today. That’s ok with me as long as you eliminate Italiano tomorrow. I believe at that point the game will be over.

However, I’m not always right, so I want to look ahead to the possibility of the T-Bone, MM, Red, Shelly endgame. So today I’ll focus on reading those players and leave you with my recommendations should I be eliminated and italiano flip town. Again, I think this is less likely but I don’t want to leave you with nothing if I’m wrong.

[shellyc]

If that endgame happens, T-Bone / MiniMegabyte / Redados must be the scum from my point of view.
T-Bone is my TR and he has bussed INSANELY if this partnership stands (special things might happen with a redteam of the listmods)
MiniMegabyte has held a facade of "new townie" throughout and hasn't really done many interactions to stand out.
But Micc has pushed him and encouraged GG to vote him. Unlikely partner. Also I read MiniMegabyte's first game (as townie), and he's playing pretty similar.

This leaves, Redados...

[Porkens]

It’s kind of a tough one. I can see T-Bone and Micc bussing that hard if they were scum together. I think that’s slightly more likely than MM being biased, although I want to reread that phase of the game again. Rendados doesn’t seem like scum to me, and I don’t recall seeing a compelling case on him. You think you are in the same sort of grey area as MM at the moment.

[Porkens]

Bussed not biased

[shellyc]

T-Bone / MiccWord. Interesting.

I look forward to your case

[Porkens]

Oh I won’t be making a case, just kibitzing from the sidelines. I’m pretty much dead already so I’m just leaving a will.