Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

@Ydrasse: don't worry. It might look like a lot, but I'm still posting those one liners
I'll reply to BM later, but @BM what made you change your vote? Was it something I did or something Nosferatu did?

As above, I was voting for Puppy previously but it wasn't doing much and I didn't feel really strongly about it. I'm getting town-tells and scum-tells from you - undecided as yet. Nosferatu just looks like classic lazy lurker-scum.

i just got here how am i lurker scum lmao

[Battle Mage]

@Ydrasse: don't worry. It might look like a lot, but I'm still posting those one liners
I'll reply to BM later, but @BM what made you change your vote? Was it something I did or something Nosferatu did?

As above, I was voting for Puppy previously but it wasn't doing much and I didn't feel really strongly about it. I'm getting town-tells and scum-tells from you - undecided as yet. Nosferatu just looks like classic lazy lurker-scum.

i just got here how am i lurker scum lmao

it's page 7, you aint posted shit and when asked to elaborate on the little you had said, you didn't wanna play.

[Nosferatu]

@Ydrasse: don't worry. It might look like a lot, but I'm still posting those one liners
I'll reply to BM later, but @BM what made you change your vote? Was it something I did or something Nosferatu did?

As above, I was voting for Puppy previously but it wasn't doing much and I didn't feel really strongly about it. I'm getting town-tells and scum-tells from you - undecided as yet. Nosferatu just looks like classic lazy lurker-scum.

i just got here how am i lurker scum lmao

it's page 7, you aint posted shit and when asked to elaborate on the little you had said, you didn't wanna play.

sorry when did anyone ask me to elaborate on anything?

[Battle Mage]

it is okay, i shall recover.

i don't have too many conclusions to draw from it so far. like i said i feel that midway is acting different than the last game i played with him where he was scum but that might be by virtue of a) a wagon forming super fast on him when he thought he was pushing a miselim through and... actually yeah just a. i do think there are some things that he's said that mirror his behavior in that previous game but it doesn't have the same tone of... smugness?

for you, i tend to read these sort of early-game pushes for content as towny because it's an effort to find scum even if it's working with bare minimum. however, i don't really... get why you changed your vote to nosferatu just now? if you're putting this pressure on midway and it's helping you, why are you pivoting now?

p-edit: why tho.

what game was this? id be interested to read a midway scumgame.

I was never voting for midway and I feel like I'm getting loads of valuable insight from him through our exchanges. I also take the point Mafia Goon raised earlier that Midway is used to being elimmed Day 1, and we aren't likely to get anything more from him by wagonning him. In contrast Nosferatu is doing nothing, and I want to see how he reacts under a bit of pressure.

And seriously, if he doesn't do something useful, we'll just lynch him.

it waaaaas this one, newbie 2018.

also fair i guess, i just kind of think that pressure on someone like you were applying goes hand in hand with a vote this early on.

what is "useful" in this situation though? like you call them lazy/lurker but.. didn't they just confirm?

i didn't need to vote - the fact I'm feeling up Midway, doesn't mean I'm not looking at other people too. At this stage. it's more helpful to wagon quiet players to encourage them to talk, and if they are scum, put them under a bit of pressure.

Nosferatu hadnt posted for ages, and when they did turn up (only after being threatened with replacement), they posted nothing useful and didn't want to engage in a dialogue to help sort their slot. It's what I call the road to rome special.

Useful in that context could be many things - scumhunting, engaging in conversations, being open and giving opinions. normal town stuff.

[Battle Mage]

ah, I guess I was a bit ambiguous

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

wtf is this? ELABORATE

[Battle Mage]

Nosferatu - what's your thinking on the game so far? do you have any reads/views?

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu hadnt posted for ages, and when they did turn up (only after being threatened with replacement), they posted nothing useful and didn't want to engage in a dialogue to help sort their slot. It's what I call the road to rome special.

lmao i wasn't threatened with replacement, i was in the process of being replace and i happened remember i signed up for this in time to not get replaced.

ah, I guess I was a bit ambiguous

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

wtf is this? ELABORATE

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

ur telling me that blair geniunely believes dunn took back a L-1 vote cause he was feeling self conscious?

thats crazy bro

Nosferatu - what's your thinking on the game so far? do you have any reads/views?

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

[midwaybear]

I’m not really sure how much BM actually believes in his Nosferatu push. It feels like a dumb push to make.

[Ydrasse]

bm i feel it's... a bit much to expect the second a person show up they lay out a grand platter of stuff for us to chew upon.

[Ydrasse]

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

[Battle Mage]

I’m not really sure how much BM actually believes in his Nosferatu push. It feels like a dumb push to make.

The first sentence may be fair. The second is not, and I would like you to explain it. I am a firm believer in the value of putting people under pressure and seeing how they react, and also getting people to put some words out there, and not just lurk and avoid scrutiny. It's objectively pro-town and the right thing to do, irrespective of my alignment, so I'm surprised to see you dismiss it off-hand.

bm i feel it's... a bit much to expect the second a person show up they lay out a grand platter of stuff for us to chew upon.

You're misrepping me - I haven't said I expected that. But let me remind you of the sequence of events...

Nosferatu shows up:

Seeking a replacement for Nosferatu.

oop

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

^ Not clear what the question above means, or why he voted where he did (although could be random, not necessarily, and worth asking). It does seem though, from the post he picked out, that he has likely been following/read at least some of the game.

This is his only contribution and then he goes away for a bit.

I show up to ask for a bit more explanation of his only post:

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

excuse me?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nosferatu

Rather than responding and giving any more comment to allow anyone to evaluate his slot, or to put his own opinions out there to influence the discussion, he is evasive and dismisses my question:

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

excuse me?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nosferatu

ur excused

Subsequently, I follow up by reiterating that question and pressing him for more opinion/comment.

[Battle Mage]

Nosferatu hadnt posted for ages, and when they did turn up (only after being threatened with replacement), they posted nothing useful and didn't want to engage in a dialogue to help sort their slot. It's what I call the road to rome special.

lmao i wasn't threatened with replacement, i was in the process of being replace and i happened remember i signed up for this in time to not get replaced.

ah, I guess I was a bit ambiguous

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

wtf is this? ELABORATE

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

ur telling me that blair geniunely believes dunn took back a L-1 vote cause he was feeling self conscious?

thats crazy bro

Nosferatu - what's your thinking on the game so far? do you have any reads/views?

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

Ok, why arent you voting Blair then? Is that post really the only thing you want to comment on? FWIW I basically agree with Ydrasse assessment in #159.

[Battle Mage]

innocentvillager, do you wanna townbloc with me?

[Nosferatu]

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

Ok, why arent you voting Blair then? Is that post really the only thing you want to comment on? FWIW I basically agree with Ydrasse assessment in #159.

i dont want to get too into it without either flipping which is why i decided not to push either

[midwaybear]

Aight time to reply to Battle Mage.

Translation: If you dare fking scumread me, I'm going to OMGUS the living shit out of you. Now don't look at me!

Not really sure where you got this from? Dunnstral is null scum to me because him not voting me isn't as townie as I thought and he's not posting.

I'm not sure how this stacks up against your original attack on me for answering the question for you, where you suggested you were very worried about your answer being lost. Please can you remind me again why you're voting for me?

I was voting for you because I thought you were trying to me unnecessarily helpful, and your read on me seemed to me a vague

scum, but could be town

. I think you deserve this UNVOTE: Battle Mage, but I'm still having trouble reading you right now.

Why are you lying about this?

I did not mention it in part C, but I did overall. I guess it is semantics.

Isn't this you doing exactly what you accused me of? Answering a question for Blair. Only in this case, it's a relevant question, and rather than even seek to ask her, you simply give a justification for her.

You're right.

Is it? Are you asking for a town view before you commit your own? Good to have an explanation on this.

No, that was a question at you. I wanted to know whether you thought me being serious was scummy.

As you know, I have a bit of form using this approach - you don't care for my opinion though? Even though you were quick to ask Mafia Goon for his view on the same earlier?

Not sure what you're trying to get at here. My comment was sarcastic and an attempt to discredit your argument against me.

Town on the other hand, often try and form townblocs, and when successful these can be very effective.

Ok, but wouldn't scum be incentivized to buddy so that they can get into townblocks?

Can you set out your assessment of me, maybe using 2 lists "town" and "scum" and listing points under each?

My read on you isn't really like this because I think you've been doing things that are generally townie this game, but I feel like scum you could fake easily. I guess if I had to say it: you are slight lean town.

[ready2rock]

Hey all, was super under the weather yesterday and spent pretty much all day in bed unable to function, but feeling much better today, so am working on catching up now

[Mafia Goon]

I just came here to have a good time and find my scumbuddy, and I'm feeling very attacked by all these walls and content right now.

[Mafia Goon]

Why aren't you using any emojis, Battle Mage? I miss them. You make some good points on the bear - I know he's mislaunched frequently though so I'm gonna look at some meta first.

If I kill some scum, I'll post some emojis.

And yes that's fair, he was elimmed Day 1 in my only game with him. I remember him being less scummy there though.

I want an actual answer for this. Why did you stop using them?

[Mafia Goon]

do we know that there are exactly 3 scum? or is it merely probable

please don't read into this question from an alignment perspective I just want to know thanks

^i would ask this as town or scum.

I just want to know what people's thoughts are on this, I don't have a good sense for closed game setup spec. But I've seen people ask this stuff multiple times in past games and it leads to some speculation about their alignment, so I wanted to acknowledge that I was conscious of this fact to make people read into it less. I hope me saying that doesn't make people read into it more -_-

Inen is probably town for this. It takes some real perspective shifting to fabricate this line of thought. I'm disappointed, Inen; we would make good scum partners.

[Mafia Goon]

I had to skip the Battle Mage and bear wall wars. They make my shoulder and knee hurt.

[Mafia Goon]

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

I wanted to vote you for this because it makes zero sense, but then I realised I should probably townread you for it for exactly that reason.

Wait, actually, I thought about it more and it does make sense. It's like when someone checks someone else with the identity thing in secret hitler and claims the other person is liberal (town). The person making the check could still be fascist (scum) while the person being checked is liberal, but if the person being checked is fascist, then the checker has to be fascist.

Does that work for reads like it does for mechanics? Maybe. Elaborate if you can please.

[Mafia Goon]

VOTE: Launchy

Come back to us, Launchy. I miss you.

[CantHateAPuppy]

these convos are all boring so im going to make my own

I just want to know what people's thoughts are on this, I don't have a good sense for closed game setup spec. But I've seen people ask this stuff multiple times in past games and it leads to some speculation about their alignment, so I wanted to acknowledge that I was conscious of this fact to make people read into it less. I hope me saying that doesn't make people read into it more -_-

no way there's 3 scum, way too many for size 10. probably 2, maybe 2 and a traitor.

i really don't think blair's reaction shows anything at all and isn't worth dissecting like this

i agree with the puppy.

Ydrasse - how come you didn't agree with me when I said that earlier?

i skipped most of the BM/midway walls, but i like this question and think it shows a mod town attitude

I just came here to have a good time and find my scumbuddy, and I'm feeling very attacked by all these walls and content right now.

leaning town in Mafi b/c he makes me laugh, also a strong personality is a good town sign

[CantHateAPuppy]

@battle mage: regarding your 110

1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.

2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?

also i'm admittedly not great at gauging people when it comes to meta/going through old games but midway doesn't feel as aloof/combatative as he did last game when pressure was applied to him. i think that the top of 113 is a bit aggressive but other than that it feels sort of relaxed in comparison?

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

these posts all rub me the wrong way, just something about askind other people these questions when there's not much out there looks IMO like busywork, it's the kind of thing i'd expect from scum figuring out how to settle in early phase

but this is minor stuff so we can work on it

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Launchy

Come back to us, Launchy. I miss you.

i missed you too buddy! have you solved the game yet? oh god please say yes