Newbie 2019 | Game Over!

[T-Bone]

So you explain how you have “set up the dominos” because you have laid the gamestate. Good, great so you take responsibility if and when there are two dead townies on the ground.

See that right there. We all know that's not what I said.

Porkens trying to tie the idea that I am responsible for dead townies to the current game state. That's a manipulation. This is a strong indicator of why I actually believe the game ends with this elimination.

[Porkens]

Well thanks. You just said Itáliano was trying to solve, but you have him at least third down in competence?

[T-Bone]

*for hypothetical dead townies

[Porkens]

“As for "agreeing" with the prevailing scumread...I'm pretty sure I put us on this trajectory by saying "I think it is most likely Porkens for reasons...then Redados, then Minimegabyte...because I townread Shelly and Italiano for reasons".

If you want to try and argue that someone else is more responsible for the current game state, by all means. But don't try to re-frame the events as something else entirely.“

^^^these are your exact words. You claim responsibility for the trajectory. You define that trajectory of porkens, red, Mm. You then defy me to argue against it.

[T-Bone]

The only trajectory we're on is the game state in which you are at E-1. I did not say we would then eliminate the next two players. I said I suspect Porkens, then some other players went "oh me too" and now here we are.

You're the one trying to bargain an elimination for Italiano. So I mean? :shrug:

[T-Bone]

Either way, there's a reason I quoted you and said "this is an example of why I think Porkens is scum". I'm not going to argue with you. If you're actually town, I'm not going to (rightly) convince you that you're scum. If you're mafia, I do not expect you to go "damn, you got me, vote: myself GG"

By all means, show the playerlist that you are not actually trying to manipulate in the way I think you are. If you're sincerely trying to convince me otherwise, arguing about semantics is not the way to do it!

[Porkens]

Ohhh sorry I misunderstood then.

Now, to be fair, Italiano was the one who suggested it:

In conclusion I feel like a partner is plausible from Porkens' ISO. Both Italiano and Porkens are possible partners according to what I saw.

And that’s fair, but if I do get eliminated make sure you eliminate Porkens the next day. It would only be fair and consistent.

[Porkens]

Either way, there's a reason I quoted you and said "this is an example of why I think Porkens is scum". I'm not going to argue with you. If you're actually town, I'm not going to (rightly) convince you that you're scum. If you're mafia, I do not expect you to go "damn, you got me, vote: myself GG"

By all means, show the playerlist that you are not actually trying to manipulate in the way I think you are. If you're sincerely trying to convince me otherwise, arguing about semantics is not the way to do it!

I’m not really trying to convince you, I’m trying to make sure they don’t give you an automatic pass on the hypothetical day 4.

[T-Bone]

What do you think the significance of that is? Let's say we decided to take him up on his offer and eliminate him first. What does that actually accomplish for scum!Italiano?

Pedit: That's fine. Like I said, I am absolutely capable of power bussing a scumbuddy on Day 1. It is fair to weigh in a vacuum. I know the difference between that and what I actually did, but an outside observer might not.

[ItalianoVD]

Erratic, unobservant and poor discernment of what people say. Anyone playing like you play is bad for town. The fact that you have years of experience and are playing like this makes me scratch my head. I wouldn’t expect townyou (even if you were rusty) to play this way so the logical conclusion is that you are scum.

[Porkens]

What do you think the significance of that is? Let's say we decided to take him up on his offer and eliminate him first. What does that actually accomplish for scum!Italiano?

Pedit: That's fine. Like I said, I am absolutely capable of power bussing a scumbuddy on Day 1. It is fair to weigh in a vacuum. I know the difference between that and what I actually did, but an outside observer might not.

Flip that around and tell me why I’m your #1 scumread right now.

[Porkens]

Erratic, unobservant and poor discernment of what people say. Anyone playing like you play is bad for town. The fact that you have years of experience and are playing like this makes me scratch my head. I wouldn’t expect townyou (even if you were rusty) to play this way so the logical conclusion is that you are scum.

Now you are just making things up out of whole cloth.

[Porkens]

Só italiano your angle tomorrow is going to be “a Zoe porkens was town well how could I have known that? His play made no sense as town I guess he was just bad.”

Hopefully no one falls for that.

[T-Bone]

What do you think the significance of that is? Let's say we decided to take him up on his offer and eliminate him first. What does that actually accomplish for scum!Italiano?

Pedit: That's fine. Like I said, I am absolutely capable of power bussing a scumbuddy on Day 1. It is fair to weigh in a vacuum. I know the difference between that and what I actually did, but an outside observer might not.

Flip that around and tell me why I’m your #1 scumread right now.

It's a different situation since you are already at E-1.

[T-Bone]

Erratic, unobservant and poor discernment of what people say. Anyone playing like you play is bad for town. The fact that you have years of experience and are playing like this makes me scratch my head. I wouldn’t expect townyou (even if you were rusty) to play this way so the logical conclusion is that you are scum.

What is this though?

[T-Bone]

Because #937 is right on the money.

[ItalianoVD]

Erratic, unobservant and poor discernment of what people say. Anyone playing like you play is bad for town. The fact that you have years of experience and are playing like this makes me scratch my head. I wouldn’t expect townyou (even if you were rusty) to play this way so the logical conclusion is that you are scum.

Now you are just making things up out of whole cloth.

Am I?

[Porkens]

What do you think the significance of that is? Let's say we decided to take him up on his offer and eliminate him first. What does that actually accomplish for scum!Italiano?

Pedit: That's fine. Like I said, I am absolutely capable of power bussing a scumbuddy on Day 1. It is fair to weigh in a vacuum. I know the difference between that and what I actually did, but an outside observer might not.

Flip that around and tell me why I’m your #1 scumread right now.

It's a different situation since you are already at E-1.

Ok if you say so.

[ItalianoVD]

Erratic, unobservant and poor discernment of what people say. Anyone playing like you play is bad for town. The fact that you have years of experience and are playing like this makes me scratch my head. I wouldn’t expect townyou (even if you were rusty) to play this way so the logical conclusion is that you are scum.

What is this though?

This is what I see from Porkens. My perception of his play.

[ItalianoVD]

Só italiano your angle tomorrow is going to be “a Zoe porkens was town well how could I have known that? His play made no sense as town I guess he was just bad.”

Hopefully no one falls for that.

Mark this down and quote it. If you flip town I will personally lead the way to get myself eliminated. First vote and I will get everyone to follow suit. Day 3 will probably one of the quickest days in this sites history.

[T-Bone]

Erratic, unobservant and poor discernment of what people say. Anyone playing like you play is bad for town. The fact that you have years of experience and are playing like this makes me scratch my head. I wouldn’t expect townyou (even if you were rusty) to play this way so the logical conclusion is that you are scum.

What is this though?

This is what I see from Porkens. My perception of his play.

Give me some specifics instead of "he's playing bad". How do you know?

At the very least part of my argument has been that Porkens is playing well. So at best this is lazy, at worst, this is what Porkens pointed out in #937...a pre-excuse for if Porkens flips town.

[ItalianoVD]

Give me some specifics instead of "he's playing bad". How do you know?

At the very least part of my argument has been that Porkens is playing well. So at best this is lazy, at worst, this is what Porkens pointed out in #937...a pre-excuse for if Porkens flips town.

1) Can you explain OMGUS to me. If I was the first to vote for Porkens, how am I OMGUSing him? Are you talking about the case or the vote?
2) His perception and conclusion in 923 of what you said in 920 is very strange. I’ve seen him take what people say and then create an elaborate conclusion that doesn’t match what that person said. Instead of asking what they meant he goes with his own conclusion and then frames it that way.
3) He has not once talked about the case I have on him or the fact that he is scumreading me for something he himself has been guilty of. It was the same thing with Shelly and Red. When Shelly was sheeping Red he scumread her, but when Red sheeped him, he gave it a pass saying that “he’s agreeing with me”. It’s not consistent.
4) As I stated in my defense, he has left things out of quotes and generalized statements made by people without including the context.

So as I said, his play has been erratic, unobservant and the perception of what people say is poor and inconsistent. I didn’t say that as an excuse or a way to wiggle out of elimination, I said that as a reason at least more of one of why I think he’s scum.

On that note I see I should have explained it better. I was annoyed at the time I posted it.

[ItalianoVD]

And I was annoyed by the things Porkens was saying not by the death pact. Wanted to say it before anyone else did.

[ItalianoVD]

[quote="In post 766, Porkens"]My suspicion is based on his interactions with flipped scum.

If we had flipped ShellyC instead, I probably wouldn't think IDV was particularly scummy.

I made mention of this before. Is this a scumslip? Pay attention to the bolded.

Picture this:
I didn’t vote for Shellyc. I actually jumped off of her and put my vote onto Word.

But let’s say for the sake of Porkens’ hypothetical before I hammered Word Shelly’s wagon advanced and she got eliminated. Then let’s say she flipped scum.

My move OFF of her would have made me extremely suspicious, but Porkens made that hypothetical statement without taking into account the possibility of Shelly being scum, which is not congruent with his previous line of “My suspicion is based on his interactions with flipped scum.”

To me this implies that he knows she is town.

[Porkens]

I think she’s town based on the fact that Micc was scum and I believe you are his partner. Oops!