Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: una

[bob3141]

*slaps roof of geraintm wagon*

yep, she's a beaut. so much town powering that wagon, you wouldn't know what to do with her. sad to see her go.

good job everyone, beautiful production!

UNVOTE:

Quite a big association between hoopla and gerain here. Hoopla has unvoted but insists on calling the wagon powered by town.

Una, garlon, popos, hoopla, bob

Una, t , t, scum, (b)


If gerain was his scum buddy and the wagon apart from him was all town. I doubt he would actually draw attention to it.

[bob3141]

As in town/scum association

[bob3141]

Bella care to address why you voted hoopla at teh same time as mentioning two alternative wagons. One of which hoopla was pushing.

And turned out to be the mislynch that happened instead of hoopla day one.

[UnaBombaH]

Your approach to my slot is ridiculous - you keep aggressively town reading me to my face while being fine to flip me. Flipping me doesn't solve anything

I have explained this to you already.
I'm not going to vote you, pending a new discovery during a reread. Something that I have literally missed. You are not a scumread of mine.
But, you also have to realize that it's starting to seem very likely to me that one of you/bob is actually scum and managed to fool me.

And to make it even more clear, you probably misunderstood my post there. I said

I'm just thinking that I might want Bella flipped

rather today than later

,

if any people agree with Isis.

Isis has been on your case for some time now, and it seems like they are not going to give up on you as a target until you are indeed flipped. If they go somewhere else today and hit town, they are going to want you again tomorrow. And I'm not great with these but I think that might already be LyLo?
So yea, if they can't come around to townreading you I'd rather see you flipped today, and see them try and explain themselves later.

You reacting like this whenever I'm poking at my read on you is the only thing that makes me suspect you in the least.

[bob3141]

in the interest of working my way back into the game, i am going to do something shocking.

my intuition tells me i may have been wrong on klick - especially upon seeing porken's entry into the game. given i was reading bella as town in relationship to klick's scumminess, i have come to believe i was actually reading them backwards.

VOTE: bella

one of the lemonade-sipping scumbuckets.

more to come

...

Then we have this. hoopla first vote of day two.

How hoopla had lolhammered popopos. Which means hoopl was treating he slot as burner slot.

Preempting of a roleblocker excuse. That would guarantee hoopla being scum if no one got the message. A slot was still suspect but only being kept alive by many players simply due to it being a resolvable start of day 3.

I hadly think burnt slot liek that would go for some he thought was town at that point.

In fact he later never joins bella when she gets to l-2.

[bob3141]

Day 2's Ninteenth Votecount

Bellaphant (4): Isis, geraintm, notscience, Porkens
Replacement for Sujimichi (4): Galron, bob3141, Hoopla, Not_Mafia
bob3141 (2): Replacement for Sujimichi, Bellaphant
Porkens (0):
UnaBombaH (0):
Not_Mafia (0):
Isis (0):
geraintm (0):
Hoopla (0):
notscience (0):
Galron (0):

Not Voting (1): UnaBombaH

Votes Not Reflected Since The Last Votecount:
bob3141 (3): Not_Mafia

UnaBombaH (1): Not_Mafia

Porkens (1): Not_Mafia

With 11 voters, 6 votes are required to execute.

Day 2 will end without an execution in (expired on 2020-07-31 03:00:00).

The fact that we had 3-4 wagons tied for so long. Reeks of scum benign disappeared on several wagons. Classic case of scum each pushing their own wagon.

makes me think rsf is town. and that one scum was on each wagon at that point

[bob3141]

wrong qoute.

[bob3141]

Day 2's Twenty-Seventh Votecount

Bellaphant (3): Isis, geraintm, Porkens
Replacement for Sujimichi (3): Galron, bob3141, Hoopla
Galron (2): Not_Mafia, UnaBombaH
bob3141 (2): Replacement for Sujimichi, Bellaphant
Porkens (0):
UnaBombaH (0):
Not_Mafia (0):
Isis (0):
geraintm (0):
Hoopla (0):
notscience (0):

Not Voting (1): notscience

With 11 voters, 6 votes are required to execute.

Day 2 will end without an execution in (expired on 2020-07-31 03:00:00).

was intended to eb this one. Also look at vote counts around it

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Smellaphant

[bob3141]

Day 2's Ninteenth Votecount

Bellaphant (4): Isis, geraintm, notscience, Porkens
Replacement for Sujimichi (4): Galron, bob3141, Hoopla, Not_Mafia
bob3141 (2): Replacement for Sujimichi, Bellaphant
Porkens (0):
UnaBombaH (0):
Not_Mafia (0):
Isis (0):
geraintm (0):
Hoopla (0):
notscience (0):
Galron (0):

Not Voting (1): UnaBombaH

Votes Not Reflected Since The Last Votecount:
bob3141 (3): Not_Mafia

UnaBombaH (1): Not_Mafia

Porkens (1): Not_Mafia

With 11 voters, 6 votes are required to execute.

Day 2 will end without an execution in (expired on 2020-07-31 03:00:00).

Now see how not only did we have a garlon running against a peaked bella. But also a tied RSF with bella. All happening after bella hit e-1

Isis, gerain, NS, NM, porkens

We have nm slot unvote after porkens put bella to e-1. Not really the move of scum. So if nm is scum bella cant be town. As scum nm best move would be to simply wait for hoopla to lolhammer. And by extension a town bella means NM is town. And I don't particularly think NM unvote comes from scum.

So bella/NM is either bella-s/Nm- t or t/t. On that bit before the wagons are taken into account

[UnaBombaH]

So your saying when ns died, you though he was a town pr.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.
What I was saying there was that I thought notscience might've been a Doc.
If you go check my ISO, I was always VERY careful with how I put my townread on notscience to words.
Ever since D1. And when they mentioned a Doc in a context I didn't quite understand, I thought it was a cheeky crumb.

Didn't realize that ice cream thing was as prevalent and important to what they were actually crumbing, until they flipped obviously.

[UnaBombaH]

Bellaphant (4):

Isis, geraintm,

notscience

,

Porkens

Replacement for Sujimichi (4):

Galron

, bob3141,

Hoopla

, Not_Mafia

bob3141 (2):

Replacement for Sujimichi, Bellaphant

Just throwing in an observation while you are doing good work bob!

None of these three wagons has been flipped yet, AND all three of the ones being wagoned are voting on these wagons as well.

[geraintm]

I am fairly sure not science got killed as he was about to give me ice cream and the pair of us were going to be cleared. He wasn't subtle about it and people could work it out. And scum would always kill the more useful player out of the pair of us.

Q: if they had killed them, would I have woken up with ice cream? Or would that have been thwarted?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Day 4's Third Votecount

Not_Mafia (1): Isis
UnaBombaH (1): Bellaphant
Bellaphant (1): Not_Mafia
bob3141 (0):
Isis (0):
Replacement for Sujimichi (0):
geraintm (0):

Not Voting (4): bob3141, Replacement for Sujimichi, UnaBombaH, geraintm

With 7 voters, 4 votes are required to execute.

Day 4 will end without an execution in (expired on 2020-08-16 05:45:00).

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

How do you think Neapolitan works, Gera?

[Isis]

gerain you know that his role didn't literally distribute ice cream right
neapolitan is the name of a role that investigates if someone is a vanilla townie

[Isis]

I think Bob is town, but I think he's mistaken about Replacement's alignment. It's more off than not that he hasn't gotten more pressure throughout the game

I don't think I'm totally always exiling Bella. I can be convinced of things

Should we massclaim this phase or next phase, I don't play tons of normals. I think it's generally done at eLo -1?

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

It's usually done at eLo (educate or lose). How do you mean it's off I haven't recieved more pressure? I've been wagoned a fair bit.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

gerain you know that his role didn't literally distribute ice cream right
neapolitan is the name of a role that investigates if someone is a vanilla townie

Why did you answer for him? I thought there was potential townspew there.

Bob, my intention was always to vote for Hoopla yesterday, so why are you discounting me because of my vote itself not being on her?

[Isis]

gerain you know that his role didn't literally distribute ice cream right
neapolitan is the name of a role that investigates if someone is a vanilla townie

Why did you answer for him? I thought there was potential townspew there.

Bob, my intention was always to vote for Hoopla yesterday, so why are you discounting me because of my vote itself not being on her?

I mean, only if we flip a scum neapolitan, otherwise he could be ignorant as either alignment.

[Isis]

It's pretty unambiguous he thinks it's a fruit vendor variant anyway (or is faking that he does because it's a mafia game)

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

A fruit vendor variant that clears the sender and receiver? So, a Loyal one? I think scum are slightly more likely to search up what it does after seeing notscience's flip than town.

[Bellaphant]

I'm not quite sure what bob is arguing? Something about wagons? I think he made the point I made about stagnant wagons yesterday, but is reframing it as new? (I said it, hoops said it, ns reacted against hoops saying it and now bob is presenting it as new and interesting?) This is kind of what happened with his ns argument - I couldn't tell that hed actually read and processed anything around his own 'push'.

Una, I just feel like 'lets lynch Bella' is lazy content right now. I said to you yesterday you've kind of run out of people to scum read and you didn't really respond then either, apart from to soft defend bob.

[Bellaphant]

bob3141 (4): Dunnstral, Emperor flippyNips, notscience, Klick
geraintm (3): UnaBombaH, Galron, popopopopopopo
Galron (2): Bellaphant, Hoopla

So town, unclipped, town, town
V unclipped, town, town

A few votes after is this wagon.
geraintm (5): UnaBombaH, Galron, popopopopopopo, Hoopla, bob3141
bob3141 (2): Emperor flippyNips, notscience
Bellaphant (2): Dunnstral, Klick

This is that wagon that hoops declares really good and Towny on Gera. Unflipped, town, town, scum, unflipped.
Hoops saying this was red flaggy at the time and should still be a red flag.

This is also helping to concern me about bob. Go and look at all the people we've wagoned in contest to bob, knowing hoops is scum. Its part of why I feel better about Isis - I think her votes come off more genuine, like she's pushing her own thoughts.