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[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 2.4

Looker(4)superbowl9,

the worst

,osuka,Titus,

Not Voting(2)Dunnstral,Nepenthes,

Truth(2)

WaltertheDunce10

,chkflip,

osuka(2)Looker,Truth,

Titus

0verki11

(1)Gypyx,

Dunnstral(0)

chkflip

Nash

(0)

WaltertheDunce10

(0)

Gypyx(0)

the worst

LicketyQuickety

(0)

superbowl9(0)

Nepenthes

redtea

(0)

No Execute (0)

With 11 alive it is 6 to execute, and 6 to No Execute.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-08-06 04:38:00) or when an execution has been achieved.

Nepenthes replaces redtea.

[the worst]

hi nepenthes, are you aligned with the mafia.

walt, why do you prefer a truth elim?

[chkflip]

You can't be fucking serious.

so sassy ~

I'll take this as a "no, I don't actually have a Looker case, this is just an easier vote."

Good chat.

[chkflip]

I read that as "wait," not Walt. Carry on.

[the worst]

hhmmmm my theory here is that i'm more accountable for catching scum than looking good. my arguments can be picked apart and discredited maliciously, they can't prove my alignment.
i'm more interested in the way people post & argue through this gamestate than i am in powering through a looker elim. yes, looker is an easy vote. sure, i can probably case looker. but there's no value add in me doing so.

obviously like anyone who doesn't vote in their next post is just scum stalling out the shitty gamestate. lol.

[chkflip]

Guess I'm waiting for bowl, osuka, or Titus to come in and continue this chat with me then.

[the worst]

dunn + neppy in a big way.
gypyx's vote is kinda wasted as well imo

[chkflip]

So you don't have a Looker case. Whatever.

What's your aversion to the Truth wagon?

[Nepenthes]

VOTE: Truth
the room will judge who im truly aligned with

[superbowl9]

I'm back!!

Welcome to everyone who replaced and happy birthday Nepenthes!

Big post incoming

[Nepenthes]

Another reason I'm voting osuka is that his posting style also seems unnatural, and unlike bugspray who can only call me nervous or weird w/o any further explanation, I can be more specific about why I find his posts that way.

His early posting seems simultaneously irreverent and self-conscious, a conflict that comes off as a bit inauthentic. Posts 105, 109, 139 seem like the best examples of this. His rather hyperbolic reaction to my case against him also fits in the category. On the one hand, he's very attentive to how his posts come off. He pulls a youtube video and large bold font to comment on off-hand oneliner calling his posts "frustrated". He's deeply curious what response LicketyQuickety expected to his question. He wants to know what LQ thinks of his readiness to BS. And But on the other hand, his style and tone are irreverent. Across his whole iso he posts in terse one-liners w/ little concern for grammar/punctuation, and is willing to use really vulgar, hyperbolic language to describe people's posts.

The conflict in all this is that this baseline disrespect for others and the stuff they take seriously doesn't fit well with the co-occuring pattern of spending a lot of time/energy reacting to and interrogating others' idea of him.

There are other potential explanations for these patterns - for example, narcissism. An excessive need for admiration, disregard for others' feelings, an inability to handle criticism, and so on are par for the course when it comes to narcissists and cleanly explains the conflicts I'm picking up on. But given that we're only at page 11, I'm exploring the hypothesis that a situational mediator explains the conflict: osuka's win condition especially requires that he manage our impressions of him, but he doesn't want us to catch that. We'll see which pans out.

this post is so funny

id vote psyche if i felt like actually starting a wagon

[chkflip]

Wait for it.

[Nepenthes]

truths posting is strange, it could mean a lot of things
strangest is the no contractions, it makes them sound artificial but could just be style
psyches psychoanalyzing osuka but calling truth "obvious town" when the fakenoob vibes are oozing and muddling up reads is super weird though

Nash calling that out immediately is +town

[Nepenthes]

supposing you're town, once it's obvious that i'm town i think it's important that you think a lot about what's so wrong about your play patterns. you'll want to tell yourself that it was a one-off thing — it's obviously you're on that track with this language claiming i deserve to be policy lynched. but it's more a systematic pattern in how you play/think. intellectual laziness, basically. if bugspray's town they have it even worse.

nvm this is town lol

[chkflip]

Wait fooooor iiiiit.

[Nepenthes]

fuck

[Looker]

I'm back!!

Welcome to everyone who replaced and happy birthday Nepenthes!

Big post incoming

Are you going to explain why you voted me? I'm convinced you had to wait for redtea to get replaced so you'd have support in your scum PT.

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• I feel Truth is a distraction, but whatever.
  
• I don't understand the worst being combative. Questioning someone's confidence isn't shading (it's laughable how this queer culture slang has entered the mainstream media all of a sudden), especially if there were an actual reason for his confidence. I have to assume that he disagrees with my odds regarding osuka and superbowl. I also think it's iffy that he lied about his cop clear, but whatever, he's an IC. (I'm assuming those can't be faked and I can't actually rely on those, unlike the worst's cop clear)
  
• Are we really just going to accept osuka saying "lol this is a scumpost" as justification? He and superbowl literally have no reason to vote me, and yet you people are accepting it.
  
• I've used Titus's reasoning for voting me before, lol, so I really can't say anything
  
• I have to assume that the worst is performing a shitty reaction test

[Nepenthes]

Dunn is sus but im more interested in sorting titus and truth
looker i have never seen someone post the way you do congrats

[Nepenthes]

the titus replace is unfortunate imo its just delaying an inevitable overkill scum lynch

looker wagon is boring compromise
tw unless you strongly feel truth is town its a way better wagon

[chkflip]

queer culture

Reign it in there, sport.

It's just a new word for the same action townies have been accusing one another of doing since I've been here.

[Nepenthes]

Tbh id be surprised if looker flipped scum, they spent most of the leadup to bugsprays execution calling the pronoun insistence a scum strat (like lol)

[Looker]

It's literally a word taken from queer culture. What was once stigmatized is now celebrated, and I think that's funny. Just like the removal of the word lynch. This is an interesting shift to observe. lol, "reign it in"

[superbowl9]

Looker

I don't usually naked vote but some of your posts had pinged me and I was going V/LA, so I figured it would be the perfect time to see how you'd react to a vote with no case! I would characterize your reaction as paranoid, which isn't a good look. I will give you the case you so desire now

You seem to just have dropped my 451, then bring it back in 621 with a complete mischaracterization. Let's address this. You made a post essentially telling town what to do (413), I say "why are you baselessly telling town what to do - how is that helpful in any way" (451), then you come back 200 posts later and say "aha! you agreed with my reads in that post, so why were you clowning it???"(621)

Instead of using my post as evidence in a case against me,

can you go back and answer my 451

? The point of that post was not to degrade you, or to disagree with the players you want to sort, it was to figure out what was going through your head when you made 413, which I am still confused about.

More stuff wrong with your 621 - you point to 449 as though I am trying to bring attention away from psyche/osuka now that psyche is cleared, but psyche wasn't cleared until 454. I also don't know why you said I thought I would be alive D2 for this:

that's something I will read back over and

hopefully

explore D2 as well.

All of that is really just misinformation that you've pushed though, and I'm really not inclined to view that as AI by itself. What I have been scumreading from you is your reasoning. You pushed a counterwagon for VCA stuff in 201, but abandoned that (admittedly very bad) idea 2 posts later to hop on the main wagon for the day (conveniently right after bugspray's crumb might I add?) To me this shows that the principle behind your votes has been quite weak.

Another ping for me is the paranoia in your recent posts - you seem quite anxious for a case on you that you can shut down and have been OMGUSy (which you also think is scum indicative LOL). This will make more sense when I get to dunnstral, but you both are like two sides of the same coin to me: you both pop in here and there and provide some guarded content, but dunn reads quite confident and goal-oriented with his, while you feel almost jumpy and lacking in distinct motivations with yours. I like my vote on you right now.



P.S. - Another post coming soon with other game thoughts, so I probably wont respond to stuff from this until that one's out. After that though I should be able to jump back into stuff.

[superbowl9]

Tbh id be surprised if looker flipped scum, they spent most of the leadup to bugsprays execution calling the pronoun insistence a scum strat (like lol)

Didn't really want to comment on the pronoun stuff/get political, but I think although it is kind of a dick move to call someone out for it, looker does have a point that bugspray could have just used the pronoun stuff to distract the conversation from their alignment. Again, do I think that bugspray actually did this or that bugspray shouldn't be talking about pronouns because they're irrelevant? Absolutely not. But I do think that that's an opinion that someone might hold, so to lol it off seems incorrect to me.

Now off to write pt. 2

[superbowl9]

Tbh id be surprised if looker flipped scum, they spent most of the leadup to bugsprays execution calling the pronoun insistence a scum strat (like lol)

Didn't really want to comment on the pronoun stuff/get political, but I think although it is kind of a dick move to call someone out for it, looker does have a point that bugspray could have just used the pronoun stuff to distract the conversation from their alignment. Again, do I think that bugspray actually did this or that bugspray shouldn't be talking about pronouns because they're irrelevant? Absolutely not. But I do think that that's an opinion that someone might hold, so to lol it off seems incorrect to me.

Now off to write pt. 2