Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Marksman]

Whoever you scumread.

That's a good post from Hiraki.

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

should clarify that i dont think hayasaka is town tho

hellbooks dedicates a full post to discouraging a scum-threatening townblock from developing around hayasaka in a setup where she can't be killed before getting a chance to mention it.
VOTE: Hellbooks
VOTE: Chemical Elements
I agree with Chemical Elements' contributions being specifically not what's needed, and a promise of a postflip theory on villager to be presented postflip is a particularly bad look.

I agree with Hiraki that 23 and 31 are NAI and I would post them as scum, the good they do is maybe improving how we approach the setup, not revealing my alignment. Early as possible is the best time to make that type of post because it's pretty hard to make posts that reveal your alignment anyway, if you save it for later it's kind of an interruption on solving that matters a lot more.

[Isis]

I wanted a quota of three votes but I'm not there yet.

It's not that lots of people are town to me, actually, but null to me.

Normally I'd find Lavender's slow acclimation to the game good enough for a vote in a setup that encourages pacing this much, since acclimation is harder for scum imo, but I've played with her before and she just kind of is always slow on sea legs.

[hellbooks]

Sorry for all the posts. The reply window is tiny. How do I do vote tags and make the #s link to posts?

Never apologise we were placed on this e arth to Post
btw it's kind of weird you didn't have an inital opinion of innocent villager in your first readslist post (putting him in the who category)
feel like he was a big and clearly polarizing presence
then at the end you kind of hedge it anyway so hmmm idk. i mean i'm an expert hedger too dw

[hellbooks]

The house is red.

i dont understand this whole house thing at all but it is very funny and very good. hiraki describing it as weird hipster comparisons is also good

I think I'll give up on thinking now.

UNVOTE: lavender
pro no-thoughts

hellbooks dedicates a full post to discouraging a scum-threatening townblock from developing around hayasaka in a setup where she can't be killed before getting a chance to mention it.

i literally dont know what this means but im happy 4 u if u want to get an absolute dumptruck townblock going just like fill it with actual town

Normally I'd find Lavender's slow acclimation to the game good enough for a vote in a setup that encourages pacing this much, since acclimation is harder for scum imo, but I've played with her before and she just kind of is always slow on sea legs.

agree its a good thing to watch out for people who are attempting to "halt the discourse" (see: chem elem)
VOTE: spicer
also a primo lurker vote

[hellbooks]

I agree with Hiraki that 23 and 31 are NAI and I would post them as scum,

[Ruby Red]

Votecount 1.6

Target	Wagon
innocentvillager (L-2)	Marksman, WeyounsLastClone, Lavender, Chemical Elements, Nono, hellbooks
Nono (L-3)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Hiraki, WeyounsLastClone, Elements
Isis (L-3)	innocentvillager, Marksman, Chemical Elements, Elements, Hiraki
WeyounsLastClone (L-3)	innocentvillager, Marksman, Nono, Hayasaka, Casey
spicer1209 (L-3)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Marksman, Casey, hellbooks
hellbooks (L-4)	Hiraki, innocentvillager, Elements, Isis
Chemical Elements (L-4)	innocentvillager, hellbooks, Hayasaka, Isis
Lavender (L-5)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Casey
Casey (L-6)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements
Marksman (L-6)	Hiraki, innocentvillager
ileileile (L-6)	innocentvillager, Casey
Hiraki (L-6)	Marksman, Casey
Elements (L-6)	Casey, Hiraki
Hayasaka (L-7)	innocentvillager
Not Voting (3)	spicer1209, Hayasaka, ileileile

With 14 alive, it's 8 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-16 14:58:59) until I run out of jokes.

[Marksman]

I don't get your reason for voting hellbooks, Isis. How was a townbloc revolving around Hayasaka forming?

If the townbloc is a green house, and Hayasaka is an orange house, what color house would hellbooks be?

[hellbooks]

Spoiler: if the walls of the red house are made out of red brick and the walls of the yellow house are made out of yellow brick, what are the walls of the green house made of?

stop wasting time and get back to scumhunting.

[Marksman]

☹

[Hiraki]

Unvote: Isis

[Casey]

Hiraki: "Isis would do 23 and 31 that as scum."

Isis: "Yeah I totally would."

Hiraki: Unvote Isis.

There's a lot to unpack here.

[innocentvillager]

UNVOTE: Isis

[Casey]

@hellbrooks: Nothing innocentvillager did stood out at all in my initial read. Had to go back through the ISO to get a read.

@Hikari: You say let's go deeper but you still only do a surface-level read. I think you're speaking a foreign language at times. By going deeper I mean reading beyond the words and delving into the author's intent, consistency, and mindset. Don't look at the words, feel the emotional energy that resonates from them. That's what I do.

[Casey]

Oh, VOTE: Unvote: Lavender, too.

[hellbooks]

Hiraki: "Isis would do 23 and 31 that as scum."

Isis: "Yeah I totally would."

Hiraki: Unvote Isis.

There's a lot to unpack here.

yea im a bit conflicted abt it. seems like it could be a genuinely town thing or a lamist thing

[Hayasaka]

hellbooks dedicates a full post to discouraging a scum-threatening townblock from developing around hayasaka in a setup where she can't be killed before getting a chance to mention it.

I didn't like dedicating a post to that either, but this post feels like a bit of a stretch to me on what is happening.

[Hayasaka]

Like on one hand I agree why would town feel the need to go back and make that kind of unneccasary clarification, but I don't think it was a measure to prevent me from being town bloc'd. At worse it was scum trying to correct something a reasonable townie would just shrug off and not worry about until later.

[Hayasaka]

Casey is incredibly townie to me after her enterance.
So is Isis and Innocent Villager.

I'd vote everyone else but I prefer playing slowly myself.

[hellbooks]

i've dedicated posts to worse things ; for example this one.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki: "Isis would do 23 and 31 that as scum."

Isis: "Yeah I totally would."

Hiraki: Unvote Isis.

There's a lot to unpack here.

This is blatant misrep and I'm not sure if this is coming from town or scum.

@Hikari: You say let's go deeper but you still only do a surface-level read. I think you're speaking a foreign language at times. By going deeper I mean reading beyond the words and delving into the author's intent, consistency, and mindset. Don't look at the words, feel the emotional energy that resonates from them. That's what I do.

Please don't try and coach me. You're not explaining anything. That's all I said. It's still true. Your "emotions" aren't conveyed very well.

hellbooks dedicates a full post to discouraging a scum-threatening townblock from developing around hayasaka in a setup where she can't be killed before getting a chance to mention it.

I didn't like dedicating a post to that either, but this post feels like a bit of a stretch to me on what is happening.

Agreed but it does not help that I think hellbooks flips scum here.

[hellbooks]

UNVOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: Hayasaka
hayasaka had a bad entrance imo, in particular I can really several points she made early on as coming from scum. 1) the weyouns vote for having a bad read, 2) called shot on nono flip town. Then non commital shade on 216, and using the phrase incredibly townie offhand feels less like an organic locktown situation here.

on weyoun himself i think i'm more null on the slot. I think there's a valid interpretation of him being opportunistic maybe but i'm not really suspicious of anything he's done

[hellbooks]

i love being a polarizing figure thats what makes me so mysterious and sexy... what WILL i flip ????

[Marksman]

Hayasaka, could you give reasons for why Isis and Inno feel incredibly townie?

[Marksman]

Hellbooks is a strong townread but I expect her to flip scum.