Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Almost50]

Also both Hayasaka & Casey are now active (or semi-active) so I may not vote there today. I am eying a vote on Spicer still though. Isis made a good point about this being a limited time game and lurking does us more harm than usual.

[Almost50]

I will try to keep my vote-spread limited on the opening 2-3 days. I do not wish to have a double-elimination by chance. I suggest other players consider this too. 3-4 votes are good enough for me personally.

[Chemical Elements]

It appears some among us do not seem to understand how important it is to dunk someone, anyone as soon as possible. If we dunk someone, we have a chance to win. If we decide not to dunk anyone until our time runs out, we lose.

[Chemical Elements]

I will try to keep my vote-spread limited on the opening 2-3 days. I do not wish to have a double-elimination by chance. I suggest other players consider this too. 3-4 votes are good enough for me personally.

Check out the RULES' spoiler quoted below and have a look at the

Voting:

section item no. 4. According to this ruling by Ruby Red, it is impossible for a double elimination to occur by chance.

Setup

• 4 Mafia Goons
  
  
• 10 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• Nightless.
  
• Each player may vote for as many players as they like (a single vote on each).
  
• Votes are not reset after someone is dunked on.
  
• Deadline for the entire game is 14 days. Town lose if the deadline is reached.
  
  
• Mafia win by achieving parity with the town. Town win when all mafia are dead.

Sample Role PMs

Spoiler:

CROSSFIRE
You are a Vanilla Townie . You win when all mafia are dead. You lose when mafia achieve parity or the deadline is reached. Confirm by posting in the game thread.
The game thread is here.

CROSSFIRE
You are a Mafia Goon . Your partners are TODO, TODO, and TODO . You win when the mafia have achieved parity with the town or the deadline is reached. You lose when all mafia are dead. Confirm by posting in the game thread.
Your private thread is here. || The game thread is here.

Rules

Spoiler:

In general, follow standard rules: avoid toxicity, provable randomness, cryptography, quoting your role PM, and posting after you're dead.

Voting:

1. Votes and unvotes must be in
   bold
   or in VOTE: tags, with vote tags being preferable.
   
2. Votes in spoilers will not be counted.
   
3. Dunks will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached.
   
4. Between the period between a hammer and my posting the flip, discussion may continue but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.
   
5. You may not vote for multiple players using the same vote tags. If you would like to cast multiple votes, you must use multiple vote tags.
   
6. I will treat naked UNVOTE: tags as removing all of your casted votes.
   
7. If you would like to remove your vote from a specific player, please type that player's name specifically (i.e. UNVOTE: ruby red)
   
8. Votes are counted sequentially, both from post to post and within a post.

Activity:

1. Prods occur after 36 hours. After you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. If I have to prod you 3 or more times, you will be replaced at my own discretion.
   
2. Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.

[Almost50]

Votecount 1.8

Target	Wagon
spicer1209 (L-2)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Marksman, Casey, hellbooks, Isis
Nono (L-3)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Hiraki, WeyounsLastClone, Elements
WeyounsLastClone (L-3)	innocentvillager, Marksman, Nono, Hayasaka, Casey
Almost50 (L-3)	innocentvillager, Casey, WeyounsLastClone, Isis, Chemical Elements
innocentvillager (L-4)	Marksman, Lavender, Chemical Elements, Nono
Chemical Elements (L-4)	innocentvillager, hellbooks, Hayasaka, Isis
hellbooks (L-5)	Hiraki, Elements, Isis
Isis (L-5)	Marksman, Chemical Elements, Elements
Elements (L-5)	Casey, Hiraki, Marksman
Lavender (L-6)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements
Hiraki (L-6)	Marksman, Casey
Hayasaka (L-6)	innocentvillager, hellbooks
Casey (L-7)	innocentvillager
Marksman (L-7)	Hiraki
Not Voting (3)	spicer1209, Hayasaka, Almost50

With 14 alive, it's 8 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-16 14:58:59) until the dead walk the Earth.

Almost50 replaces ileileile.

Quoting this for 2 reasons:

1- Not gonna vote Spicer in case Nono is scum and scum are trying to save their p by driving a wagon on the lurker (although that would be a bad move since votes do not reset).

2- To say WELCOME to my best pal, Almost50. Since I joined MS there has not been a single game where he wasn't in the same game as me. *Nod*

[Chemical Elements]

Votecount 1.8

Target	Wagon
spicer1209 (L-2)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Marksman, Casey, hellbooks, Isis
Nono (L-3)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements, Hiraki, WeyounsLastClone, Elements
WeyounsLastClone (L-3)	innocentvillager, Marksman, Nono, Hayasaka, Casey
Almost50 (L-3)	innocentvillager, Casey, WeyounsLastClone, Isis, Chemical Elements
innocentvillager (L-4)	Marksman, Lavender, Chemical Elements, Nono
Chemical Elements (L-4)	innocentvillager, hellbooks, Hayasaka, Isis
hellbooks (L-5)	Hiraki, Elements, Isis
Isis (L-5)	Marksman, Chemical Elements, Elements
Elements (L-5)	Casey, Hiraki, Marksman
Lavender (L-6)	innocentvillager, Chemical Elements
Hiraki (L-6)	Marksman, Casey
Hayasaka (L-6)	innocentvillager, hellbooks
Casey (L-7)	innocentvillager
Marksman (L-7)	Hiraki
Not Voting (3)	spicer1209, Hayasaka, Almost50

With 14 alive, it's 8 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-16 14:58:59) until the dead walk the Earth.

Almost50 replaces ileileile.

Quoting this for 2 reasons:

1- Not gonna vote Spicer in case Nono is scum and scum are trying to save their p by driving a wagon on the lurker (although that would be a bad move since votes do not reset).

2- To say WELCOME to my best pal, Almost50. Since I joined MS there has not been a single game where he wasn't in the same game as me. *Nod*

innocentvillager unvotes spicer1209 in post 292. I am currently at post 300 so I don't know if anyone decided to vote spicer1209 in the last 100+ posts. I would rather spend my time elsewhere for now, so I will read the 100+ posts later.

[Almost50]

Also on that vote count: The "trio" of IV/Casey/Isis/CE are on BOTH lurker wagons (calling my slot a lurker before I joined in) which suggests either town with the firm belief scum are lurking, or scum trying to save their pal.

A closer look shows WLC was voting me (but not Spicer) AND voting Nono simultaneously. I guess I was right unvoting there.
Marks is voting Spicer, but not me. He is voting WLC over Nono though. Hmmm...
hellbooks is on Spicer, and ONLY Spicer out od the top 4 wagons. WHY? <<

@hellbooks

In fact, what is the difference between ileile and Spicer, given each has posted only once with no content at all??

Nono is only voting WLC. Is this you ONLY SR still? Who would you suspect if WLC was eliminated and flipped red?

@Nono

Isis is voting both lurkers, but she's also voting 2 of the voters (CE & hb). Also would like a clarification here, please.

@Isis

IV looks like a VI in this VC, voting all top 4 wagons. (!!!)
Casey & CE are voting both lurkers + one of the other 2 top wagons *Casey on WLC & CE on Nono). amd I don't know what to make of this.

[Chemical Elements]

Also on that vote count: The "trio" of IV/Casey/Isis/CE are on BOTH lurker wagons (calling my slot a lurker before I joined in) which suggests either town with the firm belief scum are lurking, or scum trying to save their pal.

A closer look shows WLC was voting me (but not Spicer) AND voting Nono simultaneously. I guess I was right unvoting there.
Marks is voting Spicer, but not me. He is voting WLC over Nono though. Hmmm...
hellbooks is on Spicer, and ONLY Spicer out od the top 4 wagons. WHY? <<

@hellbooks

In fact, what is the difference between ileile and Spicer, given each has posted only once with no content at all??

Nono is only voting WLC. Is this you ONLY SR still? Who would you suspect if WLC was eliminated and flipped red?

@Nono

Isis is voting both lurkers, but she's also voting 2 of the voters (CE & hb). Also would like a clarification here, please.

@Isis

IV looks like a VI in this VC, voting all top 4 wagons. (!!!)
Casey & CE are voting both lurkers + one of the other 2 top wagons *Casey on WLC & CE on Nono). amd I don't know what to make of this.

My opinion on the matter is that what you observed may be sheer coincidence.

[Almost50]

Town: spicer

UNVOTE: Spicer

I xan get the unvote, but calling the slot town is beyond my comprehension. Help?

[Lavender]

Er hm.
What to do. -o-

I like Elements since they posted VC |.o) (Chemical Elements and Elements are the Same People Yeah?)
Briefly skimmed the debate on the previous few pages, well didn't understand it. (o.o;)

Hmm...thoughts blank will reboot.

Lav, hon. Do NOT EVER change. I just LOVE how naive you could be sometimes (I would've thought you might be faking it if I didn't know you from other games)

First and foremost: Check the players list. There are TWO players on that list; one by the name Elements (the one with an avi that looks like a Pokemon but really isn't) and the other by the name Chemical Elements (the one with Chinese writings on the avi)

Second: I love how you're almost always lost and don't know what to do.

Oh, and skimming most certainly won't help, but I'm not complaining because I feel like I'm dealing with a child here (no offense intended. In fact it was meant as a praise.. erm.. someone may even suspect I'm actively trying to "pocket" you here, but I don't care.)

So, anyway.. I want you to explain to me why you are voting IV (or at least "were" at the time)/ Could you please do that for me?

Ahah..._(:_」∠)_
I swear I read it three times over and didn’t see the two separate slots!
No offense taken as well (^_^;)

I voted IV since I saw them vote everyone in the beginning and posted my vote based on that.
I, did not see the new pages where IV unvoted people.
Well haven’t unvoted them yet, maybe will...maybe won’t...

Don’t think I missed anything else directed to me right?

[Almost50]

@IV:

Late to the party. Who should I vote?

This is the ONLY post I found for Spicer. You call that a Townie entrance? Tell me why this is AI at all.

[Almost50]

And yes, scum can bus a useless partner too, y'know, so the big wagon on them isn't exactly a good argument either. I am only holding bc I SR Nono and the Spicer wagon "could" have been a CW. Look how all wagons seem to be dissipating now that the lead has been taken by WLC.

[Almost50]

In Nightless with no PRs and no NKs the only thing that's left for you analyze 9aside from a players own posts) is the VC

[Chemical Elements]

Currently at post 309. However, got to do other things now.

[Almost50]

How exactly is that a scumclaim?

Rushing the first elimination is almost always one. It denies people the chance to develop their reads and consider different possibilities. If it was up to me I'd say we eliminate around the 6th day and then every 18-24 hours from then on, but I don't own the thread and I can't force my theories on everyone else.

[Almost50]

Pressure votes do work in this game actually. Votes aren't reset after a dunk. So, the person knows that vote is there to stay until they can do something that gets it removed.

You're not oldgurad, but we obviously do have a playstyle clash all the same.

UNVOTE: Marksman

This wagon isn't going anywhere today anyway.

[Almost50]

and not a soul other than me is defending the spicer wagon which has been sitting at L-2.

Are you saying ALL scum (or at least 3) were on it at it's peak??

[Almost50]

like what scum comes in late and goes "HURR DURR I'M LATE WHO SHOULD I WAGON GUYS" and just ghosts the game without anything else

Inexperienced scum, or players known to be trolls. Now I dunno about Spicer so can't call them a troll, and can't tell if they're good at scum either, so I considered that entrance NAI.

[Almost50]

Kind of want Nono to be modkilled.

Me. Unfortunately, we can't even ask for that, but my vote is cemented there for as long as we're both alive.

[Almost50]

I'm absolutely convinced Hiraki will flip scum.

How much prior experience do you have with Hiraki??

[Almost50]

In fact, how experienced are you in general? Seeing as you have only 198 posts on the site (Did your old stuff get deleted? Are you an alt?)

[Almost50]

@Almost50: Your votes are on the most sane person here, the ESL guy who I swear I thought you said was town and is NOT in your #328, and your only comment on hellbooks as far as I can tell is that he's mafia if someone else flips mafia.

Your vote on Wey is good at least. One out of four ain't bad.

Who is ESL?

My votes were on hellbook, Marks, WLC & Nono.

I am voting hb for inconsistencies and vague postings (agreeing to a TR on someone w/o elaborating what exactly they agree). mainly check my 329, 330 & 331. Nobody said anything about it being a conditional read!!!

I was voting Marks mainly for his vote on IV with the remark that we needed to eliminate/dunk someone ASAP.

I voted Nono for the vote on IV too, plus every other post of theirs just rubs me the wrong way (take the "I wanna hammer" troll for instance, or their vote on me in 368, just off the top of my head)

Finally, WLC I was voting for what appears to me now as a clash in playstyles. I also had assumed he was much more experienced than he really is (although if we go just by total post count he's look like 4-5 times as experienced as you are, adespite the fact you both have really old accounts)

Also, in my 328 I said I was sus of how the wagon on IV was building, but it was not the sole/main reason for me to vote anyone. It was just a pool I'd be digging into (more of a self-reminder, if you will).

Other than that I still don't know who ESL is, and I did not vote anyone outside these 4.

[Almost50]

@Almost50: You know you're perfectly welcome to call can call us women. Or ladies. Heck even gals. But do you call your guy friends the males? Sheesh.

The "sheesh" is on you, lady. Austin Powers never calls you ladies. He calls you chicks, most likely.

Disclaimer: SERIOUSLY. I was saying I should have played under an alt of AUSTIN POWERS. What did you expect??

[Almost50]

OMG! I just suppressed an attempt by AP to get in here and respond to "what that bimbo just said" (in his own words).

[Almost50]

@Almost50: You know you're perfectly welcome to call can call us women. Or ladies. Heck even gals. But do you call your guy friends the males? Sheesh.

Maybe he calls them men or boys. It's not exactly suitable to call female friends the females either.

On another note, I am currently at post 280 save for a few recent posts that I have skimmed.

WRONG! I just call me mates "shaggers". Except for the Dutch!