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[Raya36]

Official Vote Count 1.02

Sedum morganianum "Donkey Tail"

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

hellbooks

(1): GeorgeBailey

George Bailey

(3): NoPowerOverMe, Snowblaze, hellbooks

NoPowerOverMe

(3): Iconeum, Testarossa, Alduskkel

Billy Pilgrim

(1): JamSV,

Iconeum

(2): VP Baltar, Andresvmb,

JamSV

(1): Billy Pilgrim

Andresvmb

(1): Datisi

Not Voting

(1): jankofan

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-13 23:15:00).

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[VP Baltar]

Rereading everything so far now that I'm not on my phone.

Misses the townslip from GB,

How is this alignment indicative for NPOM or anyone?

Sorry, but I don't believe in RVS. At least as much as I can try to avoid it.

Why?

D) I'm considering switching my vote from GB but he's not making it easy by not posting.

I am leaning towards voting Inoc.

This actually does bug me. Like why are you saying "look out guys, might switch my vote here!"

Why not just vote?

Explain the wind up to me.

re: baltar, i have not played with his alt, i just remembered seeing him say somewhere he's got that account, and the join date being a few years back. i don't actually know anything about his play, i just assumed earlier join date = more experience.

I looked it up (admittedly quickly because I only have so much time today). I'm going to say, it's safe to think NPOM's posting style doesn't feel strongly indicative of alignment. He definitely seems like he puts off weird vibes as either alignment and could be an easy yeet D1. I still stand by my read that scum!Icon could see that as an easy target, but that read feels softer now. (Also, see above weird vote telegraphing from NPOM.)

Honestly the dude seemed testy, which could be scum or could be a way town reacts to jokey rvs. The fact that he doubled down on it almost feels too scummy to be scum. But i thought that overt hostility was too scummy to be scum before and that player ended up being scum. So this is something that im going to treat as a play style thing that may be less so later.

*farting noises*




Alduskkel -- if we were going to do some dualing wagon action, who would you want run up with NPOM?

[Raya36]

jankofan has reported technical difficulties with posting. This is currently being looked into.

[hellbooks]

NPOM, you mind sharing your alt?

i hate alts
i am town reading u atm btw
also town reading datisti

i'm not a master at reading ico. i was just pointing out that your reasoning for thinking i'm town (me making a point about ico's certainty) might not be true (i don't think he's scum right now) - so i'm wondering how that knowledge affects your read on me.

what do u think about ico going hard in on a townread from the very beginning
in particular like 'townslip' is very charged rhetoric

jankofan has reported technical difficulties with posting. This is currently being looked into.

i am also having technical difficulties with posting......... every time i try to start typing i get distracted by my own beauty & smartness & sexiness

[hellbooks]

do not worry this issue is also currently being looked into ( i am looking at my self , in the mirror)

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Icon

NPOM seems like he's pretty inexperienced. No way scum comes out and actually goes SRS MODE in RVS. The real goof here is Icon trying to make that seem scummy.

(In fact, NPOM was a pretty easy misyeet D1 in a recent game I played. He was similarly overeager to scum hunt, and the scum team just sat back and let that be a fail. Only took slight prodding to make it an all town wagon. NPOM was town vig that game.)

i will tell you that a while ago, when i was less experienced, i made it my job as scum to try and force the game out of RVS asap to gain the juicy town credit associated with that. Or at least, I believed it was.

If you have meta evidence suggesting this is town!NPOW, i'm not opposed to hearing that.

[Iconeum]

Am I missing something here, or does that not make much sense? Why do you think Iconeum's scumread on NPOM is scum-motivated?

The point is NPOM is an easy target for a misyeet. In the game I referenced, my scum team was more careful and let the NPOM misyeet happen without having to participate much (iirc, one scum member quick hammered). The particulars from any game to game are going to differ. How is that confusing for you?

I think it's scum motivated because it's unlikely scum is going to come out both barrels in RVS the way NPOM did. Scum are timid little babies, afraid to attract attention to themselves early on in the game. I'm saying Icon goofed by thinking "oh, here is an easy push I can hop on to look like I'm scumhunting."

so now we have 2 players acting very defensively for what is being described as a full on push vs NPOW.

interesting indeed

[Iconeum]

Am I missing something here, or does that not make much sense? Why do you think Iconeum's scumread on NPOM is scum-motivated?

The point is NPOM is an easy target for a misyeet. In the game I referenced, my scum team was more careful and let the NPOM misyeet happen without having to participate much (iirc, one scum member quick hammered). The particulars from any game to game are going to differ. How is that confusing for you?

I think it's scum motivated because it's unlikely scum is going to come out both barrels in RVS the way NPOM did.

Scum are timid little babies, afraid to attract attention to themselves early on in the game

. I'm saying Icon goofed by thinking "oh, here is an easy push I can hop on to look like I'm scumhunting."

how are you coming to a scum!Icon conclusion when i'm standing in front of everyone, clearly not afraid to speak out and DEFINITELY not afraid of drawing attention?
when you just say scum are likely NOT to do this?

VOTE: VP

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Icon

NPOM seems like he's pretty inexperienced. No way scum comes out and actually goes SRS MODE in RVS. The real goof here is Icon trying to make that seem scummy.

(In fact, NPOM was a pretty easy misyeet D1 in a recent game I played. He was similarly overeager to scum hunt, and the scum team just sat back and let that be a fail. Only took slight prodding to make it an all town wagon. NPOM was town vig that game.)

...wait, hang on. You're saying that he was miseliminated by an all-town wagon, with scum just sitting back and letting it happen, in a previous game.

And you also think Iconeum is scum for scumreading him, when you've just established that town have scumread him previously.

Am I missing something here, or does that not make much sense? Why do you think Iconeum's scumread on NPOM is scum-motivated?

also what this dude said

ur writing a lot, but your conclusions don't make sense which means you are probably faking this

[Iconeum]

Like I get your thought process here in addition with your second post. But if NPOM is pretty inexperienced and an easy miselim for scum, what stops him from playing haphazardly as scum too? Scum that are going try-hard and struggling with it on page one is not necessarily something rare imo. Why do you think he is town here? Or is it rather just a consequence of you scumreading Icon?

Nothing stops him from being haphazard as scum. I'm just saying, generally speaking,

scum are a cautious breed, especially early in the game

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I don't know what his scum meta is. But based on my experience with him when he was town, this would fit with his play.

Curious why you find it convincingly scummy, though willing to give you time to scan some NPOM games and come to your own conclusion on his play as town.

how are you actually scumreading me when I just stepped in to defend GB from NPOW, and then started questioning NPOW on stuff. There's nothing cautious about my play here, and all reasons you are pulling out to scumread me are the opposite of what i'm actually doing

[Iconeum]

Because NPOM was attacking GB for an obvious RVS vote. If you're scum, that's pretty clearly not going to do anything but bring you trouble

he wasn't. he was fully dead serious with his GB vote. nothing RVS about it and he admitted as much himself

[Testarossa]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Not really away from NPOM, but I feel it's locking too much into NPOM/Icon and I don't really like Billy's posts or what he isn't doing atm.

[Testarossa]

Huh ok, suddenly so many Icon posts lol

[Iconeum]

C) my playstyle tends to attract attention. I try to use that to my teams advantage on both sides, but me being mislynched as town is not uncommon.

[Iconeum]

I find myself hard agreeing with most of what VP Baltar has already explained regarding Iconeum’s push on NPOM, which I thought was too much on what seemed to me as mildly defensive. So I’m going to place VP Baltar as a Town Lean, though I’ll admit that he certainly sounds like he’s been around, so could be fooling me with the tone.

and in case this is all a big ol' town brawl going on, this is scum

[Iconeum]

Huh ok, suddenly so many Icon posts lol

doing my morning ketchup


whattup

[Iconeum]

My alt was YellowSnow. i get mislynched because i get involved day 1 and people are overeager to think their first impressions are correct. sometimes i say things to get reads and people mistake them as actual accusations.

60/40 eager town

[Iconeum]

I could tell that skipping rvs was going to annoy inoc, which is exactly why i did it. I read players better when they are on tilt.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: andres

ChooChoo!

[Snowblaze]

I am getting negative vibes out of Snowblaze. They were attacking VP Baltar's logic on #105 and I simply do not agree at all. Nothing wrong with disagreeing of course, but it seemed like a lot of shade in an attempt at defend Iconeum, and against a player that just seems Town to me.

That’s... not what I was doing? I was just pointing out something that didn’t make sense?

[Iconeum]

Yeah I have a few leans but the only decent one is VPB Town

go and reread VPB in ISO

he is bringing up a couple reasons for why I am scum, and if you then go read my ISO, you will see i'm doing none of those things and in fact I'd say i'm doing the opposite of what he's saying is scum.

So his conclusion that i'm scum is either terrible or faked

[Iconeum]

@VBP, we can go thru each and every one of those reasons if you like

[Snowblaze]

@Andre, can you explain your thoughts on Testarossa in more detail? 168 just feels like you’re saying “I would call her town except I disagree with her reads so I can’t”.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sorry, but I don't believe in RVS. At least as much as I can try to avoid it.

Why?

I just don't see the purpose. Why not just go straight to scumhunting/townhunting?

D) I'm considering switching my vote from GB but he's not making it easy by not posting.

I am leaning towards voting Inoc.

This actually does bug me. Like why are you saying "look out guys, might switch my vote here!"

Why not just vote?

I don't like to wagonhop.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yeah I have a few leans but the only decent one is VPB Town

go and reread VPB in ISO

he is bringing up a couple reasons for why I am scum, and if you then go read my ISO, you will see i'm doing none of those things and in fact I'd say i'm doing the opposite of what he's saying is scum.

So his conclusion that i'm scum is either terrible or faked

So you're OMGUSing then.

VOTE: Iconeum