Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Marksman]

How's your intuition, Casey?

[Chemical Elements]

VOTE: WeyounsLastClone
This vote is to place WeyounsLastClone at L-1 so we can get a flip.
UNVOTE: Lavender
This unvote is so that I am only voting for six players.

[Marksman]

as especially in this game with no deadlines scum could just wait, ask for replacement, wait, ask for replacement. If we purely judge by content, and there is none, they shouldn't be fully safe.

This is another weird read. You think scum would just replace out one after another in an attempt to say nothing and win? That's just...

weird

, and I don't know if you really believe that.

[Casey]

None.

I'm absolutely convinced Hiraki will flip scum.

How much prior experience do you have with Hiraki??

[Casey]

@Almost50: Nono to me reads as ESL. If they're not, I apologize.

Have you considered that Hellbooks' posts contain paragraph breaks which indicate separate thoughts? That's all I get from 329, 330, and 331. Sure, questioning the naked votes is appropriate, but calling Hellbooks mafia for not realizing people can have two independent thoughts in a single post is bizarre.

@Almost50: Your votes are on the most sane person here, the ESL guy who I swear I thought you said was town and is NOT in your #328, and your only comment on hellbooks as far as I can tell is that he's mafia if someone else flips mafia.

How convenient that you unvote the person most likely to be mafia from your list of votes.

Your vote on Wey is good at least. One out of four ain't bad.

Who is ESL?

My votes were on hellbook, Marks, WLC & Nono.

I am voting hb for inconsistencies and vague postings (agreeing to a TR on someone w/o elaborating what exactly they agree). mainly check my 329, 330 & 331. Nobody said anything about it being a conditional read!!!

I was voting Marks mainly for his vote on IV with the remark that we needed to eliminate/dunk someone ASAP.

I voted Nono for the vote on IV too, plus every other post of theirs just rubs me the wrong way (take the "I wanna hammer" troll for instance, or their vote on me in 368, just off the top of my head)

Finally, WLC I was voting for what appears to me now as a clash in playstyles. I also had assumed he was much more experienced than he really is (although if we go just by total post count he's look like 4-5 times as experienced as you are, adespite the fact you both have really old accounts)

Also, in my 328 I said I was sus of how the wagon on IV was building, but it was not the sole/main reason for me to vote anyone. It was just a pool I'd be digging into (more of a self-reminder, if you will).

Other than that I still don't know who ESL is, and I did not vote anyone outside these 4.

[Casey]

I have played elsewhere but upon meeting people IRL...

Spoiler:

I was raped

...so I don't go back there.

In fact, how experienced are you in general? Seeing as you have only 198 posts on the site (Did your old stuff get deleted? Are you an alt?)

[Isis]

Um... I've just checked your topics. Did you really stop playing since 2012? Is this your first game in 8 years?? Geez! I seem to ALWAYS have a playstyle clash with the "old guard", so..

Yeah, not sure if a Nightless maffia was the best to get back into the game . Kinda confused what leads to go on and trying to find inconsistencies, but with no night actions and just wagons evolving and devolving that's more difficult than I expected. I tend to be suspicious of the more random posts like Nono (and initially hellbooks), or lurkers (like ileilei and spicer) as especially in this game with no deadlines scum could just wait, ask for replacement, wait, ask for replacement. If we purely judge by content, and there is none, they shouldn't be fully safe.

Since ileilei is replaced by you, I guess I can at least say that you're not lurking, maybe even post a bit too much Is that your typical playstyle?

"old guard" posts can be unusual but this is pretty offkilter. Clone, if you replaced out of this game and the player who replaced in for you won the game, would you have considered this game a "win" for you?

The new school paradigm is very much that you do not. And I feel pretty strongly that it should be that way; assuming without deciding the player replacing out needs to get the fullest forgiveness because their extenuating circumstances are so dire, the player replacing in has to give their all so I think they need to feel the win is 100% theirs

[WeyounsLastClone]

as especially in this game with no deadlines scum could just wait, ask for replacement, wait, ask for replacement. If we purely judge by content, and there is none, they shouldn't be fully safe.

This is another weird read. You think scum would just replace out one after another in an attempt to say nothing and win? That's just...

weird

, and I don't know if you really believe that.

For the lack of heat spicer and ileilei were getting, if they were scum, I say it's looking like a decent strategy. Maybe I was exaggerating a little bit, because if spicer's replacement wouldn't post I think he/she would get some attention hopefully.

[Casey]

@Almost50: You know you're perfectly welcome to call can call us women. Or ladies. Heck even gals. But do you call your guy friends the males? Sheesh.

The "sheesh" is on you, lady. Austin Powers never calls you ladies. He calls you chicks, most likely.

Disclaimer: SERIOUSLY. I was saying I should have played under an alt of AUSTIN POWERS. What did you expect??

What did

I

expect??

I expect people to understand that trauma is lifelong, and that it's pervasive in our world, and that people on a mafia site would not contribute to denying agency.

If this is the kind of callous "playful" behavior I'll be subjected to, I regret ever coming back to play again.

[Casey]

You really don't want this genie put of the bottle

I really don't.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Um... I've just checked your topics. Did you really stop playing since 2012? Is this your first game in 8 years?? Geez! I seem to ALWAYS have a playstyle clash with the "old guard", so..

Yeah, not sure if a Nightless maffia was the best to get back into the game . Kinda confused what leads to go on and trying to find inconsistencies, but with no night actions and just wagons evolving and devolving that's more difficult than I expected. I tend to be suspicious of the more random posts like Nono (and initially hellbooks), or lurkers (like ileilei and spicer) as especially in this game with no deadlines scum could just wait, ask for replacement, wait, ask for replacement. If we purely judge by content, and there is none, they shouldn't be fully safe.

Since ileilei is replaced by you, I guess I can at least say that you're not lurking, maybe even post a bit too much Is that your typical playstyle?

"old guard" posts can be unusual but this is pretty offkilter. Clone, if you replaced out of this game and the player who replaced in for you won the game, would you have considered this game a "win" for you?

The new school paradigm is very much that you do not. And I feel pretty strongly that it should be that way; assuming without deciding the player replacing out needs to get the fullest forgiveness because their extenuating circumstances are so dire, the player replacing in has to give their all so I think they need to feel the win is 100% theirs

Didn't know old/new guard was a big thing, but can understand much has evolved. But valid point on how it feels as win/loss if you're replaced. Maybe I was too much thinking out of roles instead of players, wouldn't expect spicer would be proud if he was mafia and won the game. Back in the day I didn't post much, either as town or mafia, and always got bothered for lurking/not posting much and somehow got killed as town early on, and survived as mafia

[Casey]

How's your intuition, Casey?

I only do gut reads. I'm trash with analyzing game mechanics and flips. AtE works wonders on me.

I want to subscribe to your current train of thought but I really don't think IV is mafia.

[Isis]

How's your intuition, Casey?

I want to subscribe to your current train of thought

If you're a gut player, does this mean you think Marksman is town, you just think he's wrong?

[Chemical Elements]

Is anyone going to hammer WeyounsLastClone so we can have a flip, or does anyone have another plan?

[Isis]

Is he at L-1? VOTE: WeyounsLastClone

[Casey]

How's your intuition, Casey?

I want to subscribe to your current train of thought

If you're a gut player, does this mean you think Marksman is town, you just think he's wrong?

I'm not sure of the conditional but I do think Marksman is town and probably wrong.

[Casey]

This is a good dunk.

[Isis]

Wait was he really at L-1
No no seemed to want to hammer somebody more than I wanted a bicycle for my 8th christmas

[Isis]

I complained about L notation in a previous post

but my habit revision efforts are at their weakest when I'm drunk

[Marksman]

L stands for Launch obviously. Get the trebuchet ready, everyone.

[Chemical Elements]

Wait was he really at L-1
No no seemed to want to hammer somebody more than I wanted a bicycle for my 8th christmas

Nono was voting for him, though.

[Isis]

We could have arranged for him to unvote, have someone else add a vote, then let him revote

we have the technology

[Chemical Elements]

We could have arranged for him to unvote, have someone else add a vote, then let him revote

we have the technology

It will have to wait. By the way, since accidentally posting on this account in Open 785, I feel extremely anxious not divulging the fact that this account is an alt of Fredrick A Campbell.

[innocentvillager]

i have no idea how we're going to win this game honestly if we still haven't dunked someone...

We need to dunk like... 10-12 people probably to reasonably win

We don't need to be worried about chain dunking unless it's close to lylo and we have two wagons at L-1 because twilight freezes until modflip and we will obviously dunk anyone who is hammering right after the flip because that is scum motivated

[Marksman]

Wey was just dunked. We should get a flip when Ruby comes online.