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[VP Baltar]

Datisi, can you explain the Andres case to me in a bullet point or two?

Thoughts on Billy?

[Andresvmb]

Please point out to me how I’m playing like I’m sitting on the sidelines waiting for people to chew each other out.

also i never said that, so please don't put words in my mouth

That is quite clearly not what I was doing (putting words in your mouth). I’m being dismissive of the argument that I have been fencesitting or sitting on the sidelines (made by Iconeum) because it’s a bad one. And since you seem to be siding there, I was asking you to point out how my play can be interpreted this way.

[Iconeum]

Notice that they only attacked me as

definite Scum

after I voted them,

you quote me right now where i'm calling you definite scum or i'm tunneling you for the rest of this game

[Iconeum]

Also, your skepticism about me being non-committal is fair.

[snip]

If I was saying that VPB was definitive Town or Scum, then you should be more worried about my alignment.

if skepticism about you being non-committal is fair, is skepticism about you being fence-sitty also fair?

also very disagree with the second point, but dunno how AI that is

I have not been fencesitting. Please point out to me how I’m playing like I’m sitting on the sidelines waiting for people to chew each other out.

i literally quoted where you did that. it's the post you are completely missrepping me about

[Iconeum]

I did not admit to anything regarding Icon's "bad logic" argument because it is flat wrong. Icon failed to read properly and the OMGUSed me is what took place.

i'm not omgusing you at all

you are using faulty logic to explain a scumread on me and people are wagoning you on faulty logic and when i explain why it's absolute horseshit of reasoning it's dismissed

yeah i'm reacting to that

yeah i'm annoyed

but if you think this is scum!ico because i'm emotional about things you've... got to learn a thing or two about me

[Iconeum]

this will be all

i've had about 2,5 gin tonicss and i'm about to start the La Chouffe bottles so

see you all tomorrow and Ico out/

[Andresvmb]

Notice that they only attacked me as

definite Scum

after I voted them,

you quote me right now where i'm calling you definite scum or i'm tunneling you for the rest of this game

Assume for a moment that I have you wrong (I don’t think so, but bear with me). And that you are not convinced I’m Scum. How is this supposed to be helpful again? You are free to tunnel me all you want. I’m interpreting your reaction and arguments as mostly coming from a Scum mindset. But maybe it’s just how you communicate.

[Datisi]

Datisi, can you explain the Andres case to me in a bullet point or two?

Thoughts on Billy?

- found his opening weirdly non-committal / busywork-y
- his read on me makes me lowkey uneasy since i feel like my thoughs are somewhat similar to ico's so far
- attributing ico's personality to alignment

i was planning on rereading his iso soon as a refresher though, since after the recent conversation i'm not sure if/how much i'm confbiasing on the non-committal/fencesit point

billy is like vaguely +town because i feel like we're mindmelding on the thoughts on ico and the snowblaze's post

[Andresvmb]

Also, can somebody other than Iconeum come up with a definition of OMGUS’ing that most of us can agree on?

[Datisi]

Please point out to me how I’m playing like I’m sitting on the sidelines waiting for people to chew each other out.

also i never said that, so please don't put words in my mouth

That is quite clearly not what I was doing (putting words in your mouth). I’m being dismissive of the argument that I have been fencesitting or sitting on the sidelines (made by Iconeum) because it’s a bad one. And since you seem to be siding there, I was asking you to point out how my play can be interpreted this way.

i don't think anyone said "sitting on sidelines waiting for people to chew each other out", which felt like you were trying to exaggerate the actual accusations

[Datisi]

Also, can somebody other than Iconeum come up with a definition of OMGUS’ing that most of us can agree on?

voting someone purely because they voted you?

[Iconeum]

ok i'll bite

[Iconeum]

Also, can somebody other than Iconeum come up with a definition of OMGUS’ing that most of us can agree on?

voting someone purely because they voted you?

this is the definition of omgus

it's clearly not what i'm doing

and i'm extremely sick and tired of these misreps

[Iconeum]

Also, can somebody other than Iconeum come up with a definition of OMGUS’ing that most of us can agree on?

i am pushing that VP dude because of the unholy conclusion it made that i am scum based on faulty logic that itself brought forward, i pointed this in a bigger post out already

how is that omgus?

[Andresvmb]

Also, can somebody other than Iconeum come up with a definition of OMGUS’ing that most of us can agree on?

voting someone purely because they voted you?

this is the definition of omgus

it's clearly not what i'm doing

and i'm extremely sick and tired of these misreps

When a player immediately votes back someone who is voting their slot, it very often gets looked at as OMGUS’ing because it is hard to see such a move as genuine. If I had to boil down my skepticism of your slot into one argument, it would be that.

I also find the constant appeal to emotion difficult to interpret. You appear “agitated” and angry or upset about how VPB and I are reading you. This is not constructive.

[VP Baltar]

Making bad points to justify a vote doesn't make it less OMGUS.

[Andresvmb]

It’s funny, I can be guilty of this too. But I try my very best not to be openly hostile because when these arguments get heated to the point where there’s no turning back, and it actually contains both Town, Scum can so easily hide behind it.

I think my suspicion and vote are fair, to be fully transparent. But I also want to see some players that have not posted for a while come back and share some views.

[VP Baltar]

Agree, that's why I'm not point by pointing this Icon exchange. If Icon is town, this could end up being a huge distraction. Perhaps people who have played with Icon before can weigh in and say if this is typical behavior.

[Datisi]

Perhaps people who have played with Icon before can weigh in and say if this is typical behavior.

*waves*

ico can get very annoyed at scumreads he considers unfair, it's not scum!indicative

your thoughts on andres?

[Andresvmb]

Perhaps people who have played with Icon before can weigh in and say if this is typical behavior.

*waves*

ico can get very annoyed at scumreads he considers unfair, it's not scum!indicative

your thoughts on andres?

Can you point me to a game where Ico has had this reaction? I was reading Smuggler’s Port (in which Ico was Town and survived until Endgame) and the way in which they approached the game and responded to some limited pressure seems very different to me.

[Datisi]

i mean, it is very different because very shortly after receiving said pressure, ico claimed Port Authority, which made him confirmed town, so... (also how do you miss that when the entire game was revolving around it?)

i can probably dig around our games later on, i'll get back to you.

[Andresvmb]

i mean, it is very different because very shortly after receiving said pressure, ico claimed Port Authority, which made him confirmed town, so... (also how do you miss that when the entire game was revolving around it?)

i can probably dig around our games later on, i'll get back to you.

I did not read the setup in detail - I was more looking for combativeness after a SR read. What I’m seeing in that game is a much more relaxed attitude in general, probing players who still don’t read Ico as Town with some light-hearted jabs.

[Datisi]

i mean... light hearted jabs... because he's about to claim a role that is going to make him confirmed town. it's probably the worst game you could've picked.

[Umlaut]

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