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[Andresvmb]

@DkKoba can you just quickly say why Snowblaze is Town?

[DkKoba]

can u drop the toxic attitude datisi bc when ur constantly just making jabs at my intelligence it starts to get to me

[Datisi]

apologies. it was not a jab on your intelligence, things i say in mafia are not supposed to be taken outside of that context, and i'm sorry if i gave off that impression.

[DkKoba]

@DkKoba can you just quickly say why Snowblaze is Town?

Tone read, im off break now tho so i will be back in like 6 hours

[GeorgeBailey]

Catching up now, but replying to what caught my eye.

GB, thoughts on Billy? Why are you not on this wagon, bb?

At the time Billy was null? Like, 136 felt weirdly TMI but doesn't strike me as scummy. I think sb is a better push for now.

If you must vote for me, please spell my name correctly and with proper capitalisation.

This is a really bad response to being voted.

[GeorgeBailey]

ok anyway, i shall respond to your reads with a triangle:

Ah, the original triangle poster!

These reads are really good but I'd swap Testa with Billy.

[GeorgeBailey]

It feels like you might've sensed an opportunity to attract some attention in your push on npom. starting a fight there doesn't jive with someone who has no agenda in this game other than solving.

???

It felt like Ico was pushing NPOM for a read. I think their "fight" was pretty beneficial for town tbh.

Now the fight between Koba and Dat/Ico is just shitflinging so idk what to make of that.

[GeorgeBailey]

how do you feel about dkkoba's complete unwillingness to provide any kind of backing for those reads?

I understand DK has been acting memey and intraspansparent but usually:

VOTE: dkkoba
Serious offer btw. Im that confident in my read

Comes from frustrated town. I wont doubt Koba is ballsy enough to do this as scum but this is usually the outcome of a shitflinging contest.

[GeorgeBailey]

Or a frustrated town

[GeorgeBailey]

they did the same shit in nomination mafia

and because [reasons] i'm like 99% this is scum!koba here

i'm not misremembering
self-voting is an AtE tactic scum!koba does out of fake frustration
l m f a o

Oh should have read this. If this is really part of their scum!meta then this could be scum? I dont wanna dogpile right now so I'm staying on the Sb wagon.

[DkKoba]

the context in nomination is that i never offered up a trade / was just trying to manipulate the person fosing me to stop fosing me bc i didnt nominate them. Here i most definitely want ico to see rope bc of a strong scumread

[DkKoba]

also anything major that i would do as scum i would also do as town and vice versa pls stop trying to meta read me off that, i am more subtle in my alignment differences

[Testarossa]

eh, pretty null so far? i lowkey forgot he's in the game, and we're early enough where that isn't yet a cause for concern. is there a reason you're specifically looking for my take?

There wasn't much about him and I hoped I would get more from you, since you seem more familiar with him and you seem to have strong opinions on people you are familiar with, might it just be by gut. His comments just felt so minimalistic, admittedly I had a votecount with more Ico votes in mind, so the vote itself isn't really that interesting as I assumed.

i wonder if snowblaze and jankofan are scum together

Why these two though?

[Testarossa]

billy i'll have to review actually, weakest scum pooler for sure, testa just seems to be focusing on the wrong things and their tones reading tryhardy.

I am not sure I got the Billy part right, so you have him in scum without having him reviewed yet? So just a gutread or how did he end up there nonetheless?

What would you consider as wrong things?

[Testarossa]

In a way this persistent Ico wagon is remarkable.

Once it was about to fall apart it got revived again by two slots that just joined. I have no doubt there is at least one scum among the first wagon, maybe now the second, but I am more wondering why scum would be so interested to keep the Ico wagon alive when everything just became more open with everyone scattering with their votes. Would maybe indicate that the two newcomer could be town, unless they wanted to distract from someone, but there wasn't really any major wagon. I am probably more leaning Andres/Baltar here on first glance.

One could argue the Ico wagon has some resistance, which would indicate scum, but then again everyone who is siding with him feels more like town. So kind of feels scum might be in the bystanders and one from the Ico wagon.

[Testarossa]

I am kind of leaning town on NPOM for 440. Like the conclusion he reached there felt like it developed pretty organic going by all of his interactions with Ico. It doesn't feel constructed.

[GeorgeBailey]

also anything major that i would do as scum i would also do as town and vice versa pls stop trying to meta read me off that, i am more subtle in my alignment differences

People generally have different playstyles as scum/town whether they like it or not.

I'm just trying to figure out your alignment because you have been acting a lot different from the last game we played together (where you were town) and that's usually a sign of an alignment change.

Can you tell me more about Sb? What about her tone seems townie?

[Alduskkel]

currently reading

is it just me or is ico bleeding town?

[GeorgeBailey]

I am kind of leaning town on NPOM for 440. Like the conclusion he reached there felt like it developed pretty organic going by all of his interactions with Ico. It doesn't feel constructed.

Agreed. While I dont agree with NPOM's post, I think it comes from a townie perspective.

[DkKoba]

currently reading

is it just me or is ico bleeding town?

no

[DkKoba]

In a way this persistent Ico wagon is remarkable.

Once it was about to fall apart it got revived again by two slots that just joined. I have no doubt there is at least one scum among the first wagon, maybe now the second, but I am more wondering why scum would be so interested to keep the Ico wagon alive when everything just became more open with everyone scattering with their votes. Would maybe indicate that the two newcomer could be town, unless they wanted to distract from someone, but there wasn't really any major wagon. I am probably more leaning Andres/Baltar here on first glance.

One could argue the Ico wagon has some resistance, which would indicate scum, but then again everyone who is siding with him feels more like town. So kind of feels scum might be in the bystanders and one from the Ico wagon.

This is a long post to essentially say nothing of value.

[DkKoba]

also anything major that i would do as scum i would also do as town and vice versa pls stop trying to meta read me off that, i am more subtle in my alignment differences

People generally have different playstyles as scum/town whether they like it or not.

I'm just trying to figure out your alignment because you have been acting a lot different from the last game we played together (where you were town) and that's usually a sign of an alignment change.

Can you tell me more about Sb? What about her tone seems townie?

sb is gamesolving. Gives off a tone that is independent. Their motivations are singular, i.e. not part of a team

[DkKoba]

as for my playstyle difference, i adjust mine after everygame esp after a loss.

[Datisi]

ok anyway, i shall respond to your reads with a triangle:

Ah, the original triangle poster!

These reads are really good but I'd swap Testa with Billy.

hmm, you agree with most of them? can you talk a bit more about your testa read?

eh, pretty null so far? i lowkey forgot he's in the game, and we're early enough where that isn't yet a cause for concern. is there a reason you're specifically looking for my take?

There wasn't much about him and I hoped I would get more from you, since you seem more familiar with him and you seem to have strong opinions on people you are familiar with, might it just be by gut. His comments just felt so minimalistic, admittedly I had a votecount with more Ico votes in mind, so the vote itself isn't really that interesting as I assumed.

i wonder if snowblaze and jankofan are scum together

Why these two though?

fair enough. i am familiar with him, but i don't really have an opinion yet one way or the other.

no special reason, just at the time thought snowblaze was receiving (deserved) pressure, and janko jumped in with a townread on snowblaze and a scumread on ico, and that was my first thought, but it wasn't an overly serious post (like i don't claim partnersolves because of one thing like that)

is it just me or is ico bleeding town?

the sunshine might be town...

@koba, i still need elaboration, because iconeum losing his shit over scumreads is not scum!indicative nor scum!PR!indicative and you are not getting the ico lynch today without me

[Billy Pilgrim]

Honestly the dude seemed testy, which could be scum or could be a way town reacts to jokey rvs. The fact that he doubled down on it almost feels too scummy to be scum. But i thought that overt hostility was too scummy to be scum before and that player ended up being scum. So this is something that im going to treat as a play style thing that may be less so later.

To come back at this, I don't get this thought process at all. So your impression on NPOM intensified that he was too scummy to be scummy and you had a similar case before (in another game?), where exactly said player ended up being scum, so you back off here... because...?

Also can you point out where NPOM was showing hostility (he was annoyed, sure, but hostility is a stronger word imo) and why you thought this hostility was scummy (or too scummy) and couldn't have come from hostile town?

I am voting here for a few reasons. I felt Iconeum was overly eager to cast a Scum net over NPOM, and I would describe the certainty that George Bailey is Town as a factor as well. I have no real certainty on whether Iconeum, NPOM or George Bailey are Town or Scum. I am not going to pretend that I have a solid answer here. But the whole Town slipping thing and arguing so strongly that there was a Town mindset just seems off to me.

One thing that I don't really get on the Ico push is the motivation for the shown certainty of Icoscum pointing out GB as town via "slip". Why not just attacking NPOM for his questions and using GB's comment as basis for his push on GB instead of coming up with a townslip? I mean it's not that Ico has even used the townslip to pocket GB (to be fair, GB disappeared after that for a while), so it feels kind of unnecessary to risk a tmi slip.

@NPOM, can you explain your hellbooks townlean? I'm not really getting any read from her posts so far.

We are not getting any reads from you either. Not a single one so far in fact.

1 time in like 15 games is a small sample size. I've also seen other games where I thought someone was acting what I'll consider unnecessarily hostile and ended up town. The one difference is that the hostility in the game where the dude was scum was to site culture around V/LA and this was also what I thought was overt hostility to RVS. So my first inclination is that its too scummy to be scum. The fact that I was wrong once means im cautious, in backing off too far. I literally said it was something that I filed away and I'd be back to this slot later.