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Last edited by Raya36 on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:25 am, edited 1 time in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs- Billy Pilgrim
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I like the posts where people critique me. I have a better sense of self about the game than sense of others so I feel like I do well reading other people's cases of me to get a sense of their perspective.In post 310, Testarossa wrote:
Nah, still solidly town on Ico. :shrug:In post 240, VP Baltar wrote: Let's get some more votes on Icon pls. Hellbrooks, testarossa, we got a live one over here.
Like my read is mostly based on my impression of his personality that he displayed so far and looks pretty consistent to me as he started with getting excited in finding a supposed towntell for GB and getting through that to an early scumread to push until getting hotheaded and genuinely annoyed that an illogical scumread (with which I agree with to a certain extent) was used to push him. Like he comes across to me as someone that would rather break through the wall then just run past it and this showed in his back and forth with you guys, while I still feel he is trying to resolve it like he was trying with NPOM, which looked like a townie approach to me. Stuff like omgus is rather nai, especially if it becomes emotional.
Also helps that I have warmed up to have Datisi as town, who seems to be strongly familiar with Ico, so him defending Ico gives me a bit reassurement here.
The Ico/NPOM part or the Billy part?In post 241, VP Baltar wrote:
Tell me more. I'm also interested in this.In post 186, Testarossa wrote: Not really away from NPOM, but I feel it's locking too much into NPOM/Icon and I don't really like Billy's posts or what he isn't doing atm.
If the former it felt to me that everyone was just focussing on that skirmish or to keep their noses out without looking offside of there imo. Like I don't think it was SvS, for that both sides seemed too annoyed. So either TvT that was befired by someone (or scum holding back) or TvS, but then only within you or NPOM imo. But I am not that sure about that anymore, NPOM recent posts were better and I am still around null with you, which might be because you were mainly involved with Ico so far. I just feel the situation was stagnating, which wouldn't necessarily make sense if one side has scum advantage.
As for Billy, I found his response pretty vague, his handling of NPOM still looks weird, but judgement is still holding out here. What triggered me more was him appearing again only to respond to critical posts towards him, like I get one just feel obligated to it, but that is actually something I see from scum too often. Didn't helped that he wasn't really trying to get reads on people or attempted to look for scum. After all he had the luxury to come late in to have already some juicy stuff at hand. Didn't know of the storm issue of course, but still that entrance was quite lackluster.- DkKoba
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too scummy to be scum is a mythGTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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ok billy
what does that tell you about testarossaI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Billy Pilgrim
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Huh? Oh shit we're not gonna jibe like at all.In post 319, DkKoba wrote:In post 310, Testarossa wrote:
Nah, still solidly town on Ico. :shrug:In post 240, VP Baltar wrote: Let's get some more votes on Icon pls. Hellbrooks, testarossa, we got a live one over here.
Like my read is mostly based on my impression of his personality that he displayed so far and looks pretty consistent to me as he started with getting excited in finding a supposed towntell for GB and getting through that to an early scumread to push until getting hotheaded and genuinely annoyed that an illogical scumread (with which I agree with to a certain extent) was used to push him. Like he comes across to me as someone that would rather break through the wall then just run past it and this showed in his back and forth with you guys, while I still feel he is trying to resolve it like he was trying with NPOM, which looked like a townie approach to me. Stuff like omgus is rather nai, especially if it becomes emotional.
Also helps that I have warmed up to have Datisi as town, who seems to be strongly familiar with Ico, so him defending Ico gives me a bit reassurement here.
The Ico/NPOM part or the Billy part?In post 241, VP Baltar wrote:
Tell me more. I'm also interested in this.In post 186, Testarossa wrote: Not really away from NPOM, but I feel it's locking too much into NPOM/Icon and I don't really like Billy's posts or what he isn't doing atm.
If the former it felt to me that everyone was just focussing on that skirmish or to keep their noses out without looking offside of there imo. Like I don't think it was SvS, for that both sides seemed too annoyed. So either TvT that was befired by someone (or scum holding back) or TvS, but then only within you or NPOM imo. But I am not that sure about that anymore, NPOM recent posts were better and I am still around null with you, which might be because you were mainly involved with Ico so far. I just feel the situation was stagnating, which wouldn't necessarily make sense if one side has scum advantage.
As for Billy, I found his response pretty vague, his handling of NPOM still looks weird, but judgement is still holding out here. What triggered me more was him appearing again only to respond to critical posts towards him, like I get one just feel obligated to it, but that is actually something I see from scum too often. Didn't helped that he wasn't really trying to get reads on people or attempted to look for scum. After all he had the luxury to come late in to have already some juicy stuff at hand. Didn't know of the storm issue of course, but still that entrance was quite lackluster.
lol this post is scum i just cant explain it but its probably all the big complex epxlainations and big words that do it- Billy Pilgrim
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SlipIn post 324, DkKoba wrote:also how many scum are in a mini normal cause this is my firs ttime playing a mini normal- Billy Pilgrim
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Are you townreading them? If so why?In post 346, Iconeum wrote:Snowblaze is also probably town.- Billy Pilgrim
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Slip again. In a game of this size, I'd guess three. Someone posted a formula for me once, but I dont remember it exactly. It may have been town equals 3*(number of scum) +1. So 13 = s+3s+1. So 12 =4s, s=3.In post 347, DkKoba wrote:
pls some1 answer thisIn post 324, DkKoba wrote:also how many scum are in a mini normal cause this is my firs ttime playing a mini normal- Alduskkel
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please don't actually townread koba for that...CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Did you miss the slip? Or is there a reason you're not weighting it.In post 365, Iconeum wrote:
you are sheeping my townreads but somehow i'm scumIn post 363, DkKoba wrote:
we can discuss that after u flip scum <3In post 356, Iconeum wrote:why do you think datisi is town?
i'm not saying she's not, but i'd like to hear your reasoning behind it
also said townreads are basicly all townreading me but somehow you still think i'm scum
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billy, that "slip" is deadass the easiest thing to fake as scum, please don'tI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Billy Pilgrim
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Can you please explain how you got here a little more?In post 393, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I see some are scumreading baltar and i can see where they are coming from. Inoc still bothers me but it could be SPP.
VOTE: VP Baltar- Billy Pilgrim
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I asked if there was a reason he wasn't weighting it. I know that its fake able. Shit I faked a better slip in a game with you. Im just saying, its a slip.In post 585, Datisi wrote:billy, that "slip" is deadass the easiest thing to fake as scum, please don't- Billy Pilgrim
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In post 587, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I asked if there was a reason he wasn't weighting it. I know that its fake able. Shit I faked a better slip in a game with you. Im just saying, its a slip.In post 585, Datisi wrote:billy, that "slip" is deadass the easiest thing to fake as scum, please don't
Sorry, they. My bad.- Alduskkel
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guys is it normal to get a town role PM from the mod? this is my firs ttime playing a mini normal so i'm not sure...CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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+1In post 419, Iconeum wrote:In post 416, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Billy and you at least.
yeah i think that pretty much sums up my feelings- DkKoba
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Datisi is right that i would do it as scum too but i was deadass too lazy to check other games and wanted to make sure im looking for the right number of scumGTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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So hold on here. You're scunreading Icon for much of the early game. You're null on VP at 217 despite using similar terminology to his characterization of Icon's vote. Then I vote VP, over his interactions with Icon, while I'm not in your town category. So you moved off your only scumread from 222 based on the reasoning of a player you still have as null and your scumread?In post 416, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Billy and you at least.
Where we at on VC because I wanna vote here?- Billy Pilgrim
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billy i think u are town but why npomGTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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don't get me wrong i have him in my possible 3rd scum in my current scum pools i just see him as a sorta LHF atm.GTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky- Alduskkel
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I don't know if I buy this defense when you literally said you've played like 100 games offsite.In post 258, Andresvmb wrote:Also, your skepticism about me being non-committal is fair. But step into my shoes for a minute - this is literally my first game on this site. Do any of you expect me to have pinpoint reads about players that have a lot of experience playing Mafia? I’ve been around right - the guys that sound the best and can keep their cool and make solid arguments are not always Town. If anything, VPB’s style of play very much strikes me as someone that can manipulate Town quite well. If I was saying that VPB was definitive Town or Scum, then you should be more worried about my alignment.
You think Icon faked his emotions?In post 274, VP Baltar wrote:However, Icon then following up on me saying that by completely losing it for two pages that anyone would question their motives for voting NPOM and then pretending like attacking NPOM is some bold and risky stance is quite rich.
This reminds me of when I'm town and don't have any strong scumreadsIn post 357, Snowblaze wrote:Oh, yay, being wagoned again. What fun.
UNVOTE: , since I probably shouldn’t leave a stale RVS vote lying around.
Anyway, yeah, I haven’t stated any reads, but that’s more just me being my usual non-commital and cautious early game self than anything suspicious. I guess I can probably produce some now if I must.
Townleans: Testarossa, Datisi, Iconeum, Billy Pilgrim
Null: Alduskkel, DkKoba, GeorgeBailey, jankofan, NoPowerOverMe, hellbooks
Maybe suspicious?: Andresvmb, VP Baltar
(In no particular order within categories)
(Don’t hold me to any of those, they’re all pretty weak reads. But that’s what I have so far.)
explain this vote. Weren't you and Baltar mindmelding earlier?In post 393, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I see some are scumreading baltar and i can see where they are coming from. Inoc still bothers me but it could be SPP.
VOTE: VP Baltar
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when everyone is going in different directions and none of them the one you want to go inGTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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except jankofan. i appreciate jankofanGTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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