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[shellyc]

I didn't follow others. I clearly outlined the reasons for voting you. I know T-Bone is also on you, but that doesn't mean I stole or copied his reads.

Being a townie, I want to formulate suspicion and discuss, but due to my lack of experience, I can't come up with too much.

[shellyc]

Tbone I can see being town because otherwise why would they stop a townie elimination? So that tells me that they are town.

1) Did you tmi slip? Italiano isn't confirmed town. "Why would they stop a townie elimination", so you state that T-Bone is trying to stop Italiano's lim. Here you imply that Italiano is town, which may not be true.
2) WIFOM: he is a listmod and very experienced. he knows if he stopped the lim and Italiano is town, he'd look great

[shellyc]

I mean I can see your point of me not being on many wagons. I guess that just because I don’t wanna be told I’m scum for eliminating the wrong person. However if you’re so sure I’m scum then sure go ahead and eliminate me. I’m telling you though if I get eliminated you’ll only have to go into tomorrow cause I won’t flip scum. But I do see your point

"don't wanna be told I'm scum". Town wants to scumhunt. Mafia want to look like town. By saying that you don't want to be told you're scum is a focus on appearance instead of finding the scum. By doing this you are either a) a townie that isn't being helpful or b) scum.

[Redados]

Hey guys, I'm still here, I'm reading the WeBL games. I will check in again once I've had a chance to finish them.

[Redados]

"Meta is trash" according to T-Bone. I don't expect to read the games and then deduce Italiano's alignment. I hope to just get some extra information and hopefully share it with everyone so we can make an informed decision.

Site meta on WeBL is totally different, now I see why Italiano voted for me after I posted a reads list like three hours into the game. There were like no reads lists on day one of Italiano's scum game.

Scum!Italiano hedged his bets, "I could be wrong but..." "even if he is a villager I'm still happy with my voting choice" etc

He is known as a good player on the forum.

Scum!Italiano actively pushed for a mislynch on Day 1.

What a weird meta. The roleplaying and the language style is so strange. It's definitely different than mafiascum. The meta is so different that I'm not sure that I can learn anything by reading these games.

One comment someone else made: "when hes a wolf he doesnt try to make enemies and tries to uncle tom his way thru by making everyone his buddy". From reading both linked games I'm not 100% sure if I agree.

Another comment, "I've always been 50/50 about italiano in every game I've played, he's always the same regardless of role, very hard to read, always worth a seer check"

Italiano is a completely different poster on WeBL vs MS.

In fairness, here's my most recent completed game (lol): https://pokegym.net/community/index.php ... 4/page-131

Italiano - your day three gambit LOL. Town!Italiano fakeclaimed seer and then immediately led a successful lynch on the real seer lmao and then DIDN'T GET IMMEDIATELY LIMMED lmao. I'm literally chuckling

I'm done reading the games. AWFUL gambit Italiano hahahaha. Geez. I'm feeling Italiano as town but can't point to a specific thing that makes me feel that way.

[Redados]

I'm not sure if it's AI but ShellyC is still sheeping, she sheeped on the Italiano vote today.

[Redados]

Ok. So my brain says that Italiano is the most likely scum, and my gut says it's T-Bone.

I'm re-reading this and these are no longer my current thoughts.

It's Minimegabyte by the way. Book it.

I am re-reading Day 3 and have decided to vote for MiniMegabyte.

I think Italiano seems town-ish here. After reading the games he provided earlier, I can see that the possibility that he is town is high enough. I want MiniMegabyte to respond to my vote and post more content.

Did you read the games??? Do you want to provide more info on that besides, "I read them and I think he's town"??

I don't believe you... VOTE: ShellyC

I didn't follow others. I clearly outlined the reasons for voting you. I know T-Bone is also on you, but that doesn't mean I stole or copied his reads.

Being a townie, I want to formulate suspicion and discuss, but due to my lack of experience, I can't come up with too much.

You said that you've played this game on discord, right?

I mean I can see your point of me not being on many wagons. I guess that just because I don’t wanna be told I’m scum for eliminating the wrong person. However if you’re so sure I’m scum then sure go ahead and eliminate me. I’m telling you though if I get eliminated you’ll only have to go into tomorrow cause I won’t flip scum. But I do see your point

"don't wanna be told I'm scum". Town wants to scumhunt. Mafia want to look like town. By saying that you don't want to be told you're scum is a focus on appearance instead of finding the scum. By doing this you are either a) a townie that isn't being helpful or b) scum.

I agree with this.

I am feeling like Shelly or Mini is the scum. Leaning towards Mini. Voting Shelly.

[ItalianoVD]

Yeah Redados, it is wayyy different on here. Our meta is very freestyle. Not just our meta but our setup and flow of the game is like night and day to here. There is a player on there that claims wolf everytime regardless of his actual alignment and we have to wait for a seer check to see if it’s true or not.

I think a lot of the stuff on there would get us lynched on here and vice versa. As you alluded to, it is why I voted for you early on because of your readslist. I’ve caught wolves doing that exact thing over on WeBL plenty of times, so I figured.

So when I say I am still trying to learn the ins and outs of this game you can at least believe me on that. I know it’s not alignment indicative and doesn’t prove I’m town and disprove I’m scum at least you don’t have to question if that part is genuine.

[ItalianoVD]

Italiano - your day three gambit LOL. Town!Italiano fakeclaimed seer and then immediately led a successful lynch on the real seer lmao and then DIDN'T GET IMMEDIATELY LIMMED lmao. I'm literally chuckling

I'm done reading the games. AWFUL gambit Italiano hahahaha. Geez. I'm feeling Italiano as town but can't point to a specific thing that makes me feel that way.

Lol, yeah things went a lot differently in reality than it did in my head that game.

BTW the link to your game is taking me to the main forum. Do I have to make an account?

[ItalianoVD]

Something I now see that Porkens was trying to allude to was the way Shelly sheeps. She writes her reads and thoughts as if she came up with it, but literally says what another person says almost word for word. For me it’s a bit different from the way Mini has done it or may do it. I still stand on the basis that that’s not necessarily alignment indicative, but I will say it’s very weird. Why do you do that Shelly?

[Redados]

BTW the link to your game is taking me to the main forum. Do I have to make an account?

Try this: https://pokegym.net/community/index.php ... 4/page-131

I find it by googling "redados werewolf" or "redados werewolf pokemon wars" so that may be easier for you.

Something I now see that Porkens was trying to allude to was the way Shelly sheeps. She writes her reads and thoughts as if she came up with it, but literally says what another person says almost word for word. For me it’s a bit different from the way Mini has done it or may do it. I still stand on the basis that that’s not necessarily alignment indicative, but I will say it’s very weird. Why do you do that Shelly?

The problem is that maybe this is noob!scummy, I think that it's also noob!town-y. How Shelly is playing is exactly how I see myself playing several years ago.

[shellyc]

You said that you've played this game on discord, right?

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Nah I played in real life and chat room mafia, which is way more fast paced than this

[shellyc]

I'm not sure if it's AI but ShellyC is still sheeping, she sheeped on the Italiano vote today.

I didn't sheep on the Italiano vote, I voted according to the death pact

[shellyc]

Something I now see that Porkens was trying to allude to was the way Shelly sheeps. She writes her reads and thoughts as if she came up with it, but literally says what another person says almost word for word. For me it’s a bit different from the way Mini has done it or may do it. I still stand on the basis that that’s not necessarily alignment indicative, but I will say it’s very weird. Why do you do that Shelly?

Honestly what do you expect from me? Accurately point out the scum with a compelling wall of text on my FIRST GAME on forum mafia?

[MiniMegabyte]

Okay so who are we looking at eliminating today? So far I see discussion on both me and shelly. There is a lot of talk about how shelly sheeps when making reads etc.

Something I now see that Porkens was trying to allude to was the way Shelly sheeps. She writes her reads and thoughts as if she came up with it, but literally says what another person says almost word for word. For me it’s a bit different from the way Mini has done it or may do it. I still stand on the basis that that’s not necessarily alignment indicative, but I will say it’s very weird. Why do you do that Shelly?

Honestly what do you expect from me? Accurately point out the scum with a compelling wall of text on my FIRST GAME on forum mafia?

No I don’t think that’s what they mean but I can see how both you and I do it I think they mean we need to see things for ourself more than following others? I’m inexperienced with this too but it’s how we learn. Doing for ourself and if it ends badly then I guess we know for next time. But I think the others want more of our original thoughts rather than thoughts following others.

On that subject what exactly makes you think I’m scum Shelly? Because right now you could be seen as scum for the same reason I am. However we all know that there is only one scum remaining. We aren’t going to be perfect our first few games but still have fun with it.

Red can I ask where you are at with your thoughts?

[shellyc]

On that subject what exactly makes you think I’m scum Shelly? Because right now you could be seen as scum for the same reason I am. However we all know that there is only one scum remaining. We aren’t going to be perfect our first few games but still have fun with it.

- Look at what I said in #1101 and #1102, you scumslipped
- From a PoE perspective, because T-Bone isn't a likely MiccWord partner, Redados' posting feels town to me, and Italiano's willing to sacrifice for town's good.
- I've been talking, listing suspects, and voting, even though what I said might be a little similar to others, because of my inexperience. You've not been very active, and haven't voted, and haven't discussed / engaged much AT ALL.

[shellyc]

I am feeling like Shelly or Mini is the scum. Leaning towards Mini. Voting Shelly.

Didn't Redados just say this MiniMegabyte

[MiniMegabyte]

I am feeling like Shelly or Mini is the scum. Leaning towards Mini. Voting Shelly.

Didn't Redados just say this MiniMegabyte

Sorry completely missed that post

[MiniMegabyte]

On that subject what exactly makes you think I’m scum Shelly? Because right now you could be seen as scum for the same reason I am. However we all know that there is only one scum remaining. We aren’t going to be perfect our first few games but still have fun with it.

- Look at what I said in #1101 and #1102, you scumslipped
- From a PoE perspective, because T-Bone isn't a likely MiccWord partner, Redados' posting feels town to me, and Italiano's willing to sacrifice for town's good.
- I've been talking, listing suspects, and voting, even though what I said might be a little similar to others, because of my inexperience. You've not been very active, and haven't voted, and haven't discussed / engaged much AT ALL.

Okay look I will understand if I’m the elimination for today but if I am I wish you all the best for tomorrow

[shellyc]

Okay look I will understand if I’m the elimination for today but if I am I wish you all the best for tomorrow

So you are admitting defeat? I feel like town here would definitely try their best to stop their elimination, as if we mislim, tomorrow would be a LimLo situation

[MiniMegabyte]

Oh would it? I didn’t even actually realise sorry my bad

[MiniMegabyte]

Didn’t realise we were already at that

[shellyc]

We have exactly 1 more mislim until LimLo, not LimLo yet today

[MiniMegabyte]

Well if that’s the case I advise not eliminating me and trying to find the scum

[Redados]

Here's what I'm kind of thinking: if T-Bone is scum then I lose. There's no way that I can identify T-Bone as scum. Also off a meta read I think he's town, not to mention that he's acted very town-like.

Therefore, I will assume that T-Bone is town and sheep his votes. As long as he is town, I win.

Is this a viable strategy/way of thinking?