Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Bellaphant]

Bella, why are you framing it as one of me or Bob have to be scum? What exactly in our interactions makes you think that? As I see it, in that 1v1, Bob was either scum intentionally misconstruing and representing points to give himself a better look in the argument, OR he's town who genuinely couldn't see what I was saying. Given Isis's meta on him, I certainly haven't ruled out the latter.

It kinda looks like you're lining up a Replacement for Sujimichi into Bob lunch if I do go today - but I don't see the SvT reasoning.

Because a lot of your content is about each other. So for me, that's how it feels.

[Bellaphant]

I kind of want to see what happens if I do this now:

VOTE: Not_Mafia <---- L-1

Should've added this.

[UnaBombaH]

Bella, if you really can't see the logic behind those posts, INCLUDING that first one, then I can't tell you what my vote was all about.
Plus the vote was on N_M who I think would probably be the likeliest to "lolhammer", so unless they'd selfvote (which I don't think even N_M would do as town there) that was a pretty safe play IMO.

And the real point of it was to see whether gera or RfS would've unvoted in their next post and reacted like a posing scum might do if they are currently on a mislynch or on their scumbuddy.
Neither did that, so I'm back to planning my next move.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Day 4's Ninth Votecount

Not_Mafia (2): geraintm, Replacement for Sujimichi
UnaBombaH (2): Bellaphant, Not_Mafia
Replacement for Sujimichi (1): Isis
Bellaphant (1): bob3141
Isis (0):
bob3141 (0):
geraintm (0):

Not Voting (1): UnaBombaH

With 7 voters, 4 votes are required to execute.

Day 4 will end without an execution in (expired on 2020-08-16 05:45:00).

[geraintm]

And the real point of it was to see whether gera or RfS would've unvoted in their next post and reacted like a posing scum might do if they are currently on a mislynch or on their scumbuddy.Neither did that, so I'm back to planning my next move.

I don't know if I have passed your test or what?
considering how close I was to unvoting though, your test was flawed

[Isis]

The test seems silly and it seems like something scum!una would be doing

[UnaBombaH]

The test seems silly and it seems like something scum!una would be doing

Based on unlimited research and/or experience of playing with me?

The "test" was only a slightly optimistic in nature, even if also quite silly.
I felt certain one of the two would've unvoted, yet neither did.
Gera admitting to "almost doing so" means nothing - there's a huge difference between thinking about doing something and then actually doing it.
Huge.

I'm not saying either of them "passed" the "test", but I am thinking it's quite unlikely that a theoretical scum!N_M was being bussed there.
I'm also thinking that neither of gera/RfS felt a need to do any posturing, or to try and join the push on me with ~reasoning~ provided by my vote.

Therefore, my over-analysis suggests that if N_M is scum neither of RfS/gera is.
And also, if one of RfS/gera is scum, they felt comfortable enough being on a lynch towards N_M potentially going down this early, and didn't see the need to spin my actions against me.
I think those are going to be accurate deductions until the end - whether it helps anyone solve anything is a different thing.

[UnaBombaH]

Bella and N_M are still voting for me btw.
N_M without any reasoning - most likely just trolololol-OMGUS
Bella with the reasoning of "having second thoughts"(??) about my slot, and then whatever Hoopla-based crap they came up with.

I'd say bob and N_M are the two slots I'm never voting today. (not anymore at least )
Meaning that RfS/gera would have the scum out of that aforementioned "trio" - most likely RfS.
Then the remaining scum would most likely be in Isis/Bella.

Isis+bella seems like paranoia and nothing else, the more I think about it.
RfS+gera would be insanely bold for both of them stacking on N_M, but I guess it's not completely impossible.

[bob3141]

will be on later today

[bob3141]

Short of time today so will have to catch up tommorrow

[Bellaphant]

Bella and N_M are still voting for me btw.
N_M without any reasoning - most likely just trolololol-OMGUS
Bella with the reasoning of "having second thoughts"(??) about my slot, and then whatever Hoopla-based crap they came up with.

e.

See, I really want to read some of your more recent posting as town. But then, instead of talking to me properly about the hoops thing, you just throw shade. Why would scum!Bella have done the iso dig? To frame you? Why would scum!Bella go after the loudest voice in the group for an elim that people aren't biting on? Surely if you are town, there's the possibility we can solve together.

I hope bob comes back and actually engages with me, rather than just yelling.

[UnaBombaH]

See, I really want to read some of your more recent posting as town. But then, instead of talking to me properly about the hoops thing, you just throw shade.

I am not throwing shade.
You. Are. Still. Voting. Me.
50% of the votes on me currently come from you. I'm two votes away from being lynched, in a situation where I can't still fully trust almost any of the remaining people to just not vote me for ~reasons~ to throw the game into LyLo.
I'm still very aware and "scared" of scum!Isis for example. And it hasn't been 24h since they said something about scum!Una.
And IF Isis is scum, they win after I'm gone.
None of you will push their lynch all the way through if it ever comes to that.

Plus I still dislike your reasoning for voting me.
And I'm not shading you at all today - I just think your posting has been way worse. And I'm not the only one.

Guess mine has been scummier too since you changed your stance on me today? No wait, you voted me early and haven't unvoted despite saying you'd "rather go RfS today" and how you "want to read my posts as town".
If you want to keep your vote on me, then you should.
But I'm never giving you townpoints for doing it.

[UnaBombaH]

Why would scum!Bella have done the iso dig? To frame you? Why would scum!Bella go after the loudest voice in the group for an elim that people aren't biting on? Surely if you are town, there's the possibility we can solve together.

Scum!Bella would've actually done the "ISO-dig" because they would've known that it was there. Hoopla would've absolutely told her teammates if she had intentionally dropped such associations to find later.
As for why you're voting me. I honestly don't know why if you're town. Scum!Bella would be in a situation where they have to be careful about how many "townreads" they have this late into the game. Makes LyLo difficult otherwise.
I guess you felt like Isis is going to be an universal townread after the Hoopla-flip. And they were always more likely to vote you than I was. So trying to make peace and pocket there, and turn your read on me makes a lot of sense moving into lategame.
You are trying to make that single ISO-work look like the towniest thing ever. Maybe I should return to my past habits of making 3+ of those per player in lategame.
I used to not be lazy.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: rfs

You really think you are making it to lylo, Una?

[Bellaphant]

I'm just really frustrated

[UnaBombaH]

You really think you are making it to lylo, Una?

Well I guess it'll obviously depend a lot on who we flip today, and what they will end up flipping, don't you think?
If we mislynch today, scum might be able to use that to their advantage tomorrow etc etc.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Not_Mafia has been prodded. It will count as an official prod in (expired on 2020-08-07 17:07:00). If he doesn't post in thread in (expired on 2020-08-08 17:07:00), I will start looking for a replacement. If he posts in thread before I find a replacement, he may stay.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Replacement for Sujimichi has been prodded. It will count as an official prod in (expired on 2020-08-07 17:39:00). If he doesn't post in thread in (expired on 2020-08-08 17:39:00), I will start looking for a replacement. If he posts in thread before I find a replacement, he may stay.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: RfS

[UnaBombaH]

So apparently RfS then.

I guess I'll give intent to hammer first?

Considering how it's gonna be a weekend now, and they are at prod-range, I think it's fair to do it like this.
I'll be helping my mom painting her house exterior over the weekend, so I'll be around to hammer on sunday.

I'd prefer people didn't hammer before I get back, but I guess it wouldn't affect things much either.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Una

[Bellaphant]

Wanna talk about those votes, NM?

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

What do you mean "so apparently RfS then", who do you actually want to flip, Una? Earlier you were saying you wanted to wreck me into someone else tomorrow, but now you're acting like "oh, I guess we're going for this, whatever" as if you didn't want it in the first place.

[Bellaphant]

What do you mean "so apparently RfS then", who do you actually want to flip, Una? Earlier you were saying you wanted to wreck me into someone else tomorrow, but now you're acting like "oh, I guess we're going for this, whatever" as if you didn't want it in the first place.

I feel like I've said variants of this a lot today. And yesterday.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

Bella hasn't talked about Not_Mafia at all recently actually, and has never responded to or addressed my questions as to why people don't want to wreckage him.