Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Marksman]

this was completely not game related or AI how can you get pings from this wtf

622 and 623 are very game-related.

If they're genuine and you're enjoying yourself so much after Wey was dunked, it's town-indicative.

[Raya36]

Starting to read up now:

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I think making multiple RVS votes is bad, people will meaningless incidentally accidentally end up at serious numbers like e-2 and e-1 a lot. Some people are into that kind of thing I guess but I don't think high stakes RVS phases actually work better.

Good post from Isis

Spoiler: nice

VOTE: hellbooks
VOTE: Marksman
VOTE: Nono
VOTE: Chemical Elements
VOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: spicer1209
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: WeyounsLastClone
VOTE: Casey
VOTE: Isis
VOTE: Hayasaka
VOTE: ileileile
VOTE: Lavender
VOTE: Hiraki
I'm pretty sure I'm voting for all 4 scum

Immediately followed by this. Nice

[Raya36]

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inno is rapid firing reads. I'd ask where they all came from but it's likely not relevant anymore

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I thought we were supposed to confirm our actual role LOL then I realized it was public and I was like ehhh whatever

Anyway I feel I should be cleared because obviously I wouldn't "confirm VT" to the mod if I'm actually mafia goon.

u guys can we talk about how this sounds fake as fuck

Honestly I don't find it that fake. It's like 50/50 for me.

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Nono interactions with wey felt weird. Maybe rvs distancing? How often do scum vote their partner in RVS anyway? I feel like I analyze this a lot without knowing the actual likelihood.

[Marksman]

Scum are slightly more likely than random to vote a partner over a town in RVS.

I don't remember where I heard this, but it's in the "seems legit" part of my mind, so it must've been a reputable source. Like, northsidegal maybe.

[Raya36]

She's a good source. I'll trust that. Makes sense anyway. I think I've done it before as scum?

[Raya36]

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I guess post #66 could/should have included reasoning, but it included most names that I found/find suspicious as well

It would be

such

a stretch to say that he was voting people for their lack of participation if he's townreading someone for their participation, right?

Hiraki, why are you even answering on WyounsLastClone's behalf?

Don't think Hiraki would answer for his partner. Probably not scum.

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I have an idea on how to figure some things out, but it only works if innocentvillager flips mafia. If he doesn't flip mafia, I am at a loss.

tthis is like so bad

UNVOTE: innocent villager

VOTE: innocent villager
actually im still fine w this

What happened here? Genuine question

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VOTE: casey
I don't like that entrance

What was wrong with it?

Very light townread on Casey. Comes across as enthusiastic town

Something about Marksman's tone is making me suspicious. Not sure what though.

Also disclaimer that I'm not voting until I'm fully caught up.

I'll continue tomorrow. Quarter of the way there.

[Nono]

nono,,, non,, no I am an innocentvillager *shrug* :/

~kthx~

could've fooled me)

[Nono]

villager is weird (maybe), raya is weird (maybe)
clone wanted me dead so... kek, that sucks
also marksie, villager was "happy" after GREEN, look closely

PLEASE let me hammer, I really want to~

[Nono]

turning on autopilot, PLEASE call me for a hammer, but don't make me read anymore tyty

v/la 22 hours

[innocentvillager]

raya we’re gonna dunk someone by the time you’re like halfway done

[innocentvillager]

this was completely not game related or AI how can you get pings from this wtf

622 and 623 are very game-related.

If they're genuine and you're enjoying yourself so much after Wey was dunked, it's town-indicative.

it was in response kinda to Casey’s 621 not to do with the ME lol... it was not game related i don’t see how you think it can be

[innocentvillager]

but yeah I kinda want hellbooks nao

[Chemical Elements]

@Almost50: Your votes are on the most sane person here, the ESL guy who I swear I thought you said was town and is NOT in your #328, and your only comment on hellbooks as far as I can tell is that he's mafia if someone else flips mafia.

Your vote on Wey is good at least. One out of four ain't bad.

Now, as this post was made before WeyounsLastClone was dunked, this opens up the possibility that Casey was bussing WeyounsLastClone.
UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: Casey
The rest of the post Casey made is below.

@all - Almost time for the first dunk. Should be innocentvillager for the fake/forced tone.

This is almost a scum claim from my PoV.

As a matter of fact, I am willing to vote marks, Nono, and hellbooks. I also don't mind voting any of the other people I talked about in my 328 post, but I doubt Lav is aligned with either of WLC ot hellbooks (whom I've corrected her name TWICE from "hellbox", so if I ever appear to be calling her that you know it's not intended.)


You know what?

VOTE: Marksman
VOTE: Nono
VOTE: hellbooks
VOTE: WLC (The full version of that name is too annoying to type)

Chemical Elements gets a pass for now (sheeping Elements)

I am also warming up to vote for spicer & Hayasaka (they have yet to post at this point, but I will wait to see when and what they post.

[Raya36]

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I want to say Hiraki is town

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UNVOTE: innocentvillager
VOTE: Hayasaka
hayasaka had a bad entrance imo, in particular I can really several points she made early on as coming from scum. 1) the weyouns vote for having a bad read, 2) called shot on nono flip town. Then non commital shade on 216, and using the phrase incredibly townie offhand feels less like an organic locktown situation here.

on weyoun himself i think i'm more null on the slot. I think there's a valid interpretation of him being opportunistic maybe but i'm not really suspicious of anything he's done

This is a pretty bad post now knowing the associations here

Hellbooks is a strong townread but I expect her to flip scum.

?????

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noting 226 as wey's readlist

Hellbooks is a strong townread but I expect her to flip scum.

wat the fack

Let me rephrase it:
Hellbooks has a towny tone and posts towny content, which is why I'm scumreading her. /s

????????????

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I think Casey/Hiraki has a good chance of being TvT

I don't think Casey is scum with Wey

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I kinda think Inno is town?

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Like this entire page is just A50. I think he's towny.

[Raya36]

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Yeah inno can be town and marksman can be scum

Nono being so insistent on hammering is weird

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Still think Casey is town

I see lots of mentions of chem elem and elem and I have 0 opinion on either and I think I'm going to confuse them a lot when I finally do get a read.

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I do like chem's insistence on getting a dunk this page

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Not much happened this page

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chem puts wey at L-1 and says he wants a flip. Prob town unless bussing

Isis hammers Wey, makes me feel better about her being town

@anyone Is it wrong for me to hold weight in these associations or do you think this is a game that D1 bussing is likely

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VOTE: almost didn’t see green pm, w/e
reread and tell me I’m delusional
next time, don’t steal

Did you know you were already voting A50 or was this actually an attempt to quickhammer?

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I think the slot was so bad that scum has to be on that wagon somewhere

Agreed. Probably at least 1 scum on the wagon

Sell me on Spicer.

Weird question.

Hiraki also looks bad for defending Wey earlier, bit I'm hesitant here because it was almost too blatant.

I was never defending Wey, I was attacking your line of thinking. I still don't really get the scum case against him but a red flip is a red flip.

Sell me on Spicer.

Weird question.

Hiraki also looks bad for defending Wey earlier, bit I'm hesitant here because it was almost too blatant.

Hiraki may have done that by instinct.

Instinct? You think I play mafia with instinct? Have you seen me post even once in this game?

I also - have to be very honest - that I have just put two and two together that Wey is the same as Clone. There's way too many names for that slot.

I'm liking Hiraki less

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UNVOTE: Nono
UNVOTE: innocentvillager
UNVOTE: Isis
VOTE: Lavender
VOTE: Hiraki

are you really just unvoting everyone on the Wey wagon?

Yes. My hypothesis is that no scum are on the wagon. To test the hypothesis, we could dunk two people that are not on the wagon. If both of them flips town, the hypothesis is wrong. If one of them flip scum, we continue to dunk more people who were off the wagon, I guess. If the two we dunk turn out to be town, I don't know what to do.

Why don't you think scum was on the wagon?

[Raya36]

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@Casey
could you quickly summarize your case on A50?

Noting 563 as an analysis on Wey's readlist by someone I TR
I can agree with elements being scum based on the list. I've been getting 0 read from elements as well which supports this.

I don't have a strong opinion on Lav either

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I don't like hellbooks here. Bad votes

ugh idk honestly like just whoever

Don't think scum openwolfs like this

you voted a50 who I think is town

VOTE: a50

Y'know what? I am fine being eliminated already. Nobody makes sense in this game.

Edit: Actually, that's an unfair generalization, but when someone calls you town then turns around and vote you ON THE SAME PAGE and without giving a reason, another votes you but claims they don't SR you, and yet another is adamant I didn't "see green pm" when both pms are in their own spoiler in post 1.. I really don't think this is worth my attention or effort. I'm just going to stop efforting and search for another game to join already.

Not sure how I feel about the 'I'm ok with being eliminated' thing

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VOTE: Hayasaka

I don't think scum quick-elims town at this point in the game. It's easier to get away with this game but I see this more likely from scum later in the game.

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Noting that at least 1 or 2 scum were likely on the haya wagon

Vote: Chemical Elements

Why?

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raya is weird

Offended

raya we’re gonna dunk someone by the time you’re like halfway done

I see no dunk. Don't underestimate me

[Raya36]

Voting time!

[Raya36]

VOTE: Nono
VOTE: Hellbooks D-1
VOTE: Marksman
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: A50 D-2

[Casey]

Y'all, Elements needs to be the next dunk.

Anyone who hammers Hellbooks is claiming maf IMO.

[Casey]

Oh and my case on A50 is that he unvoted Wey when Wey was close to getting dunked, due to a "misunderstanding of playstyles." It's so fake that A50 resorted to smokescreening silliness and perversion to distract from it.

Okay, maybe I vehemently dislike A50 *and* he's scum. There's a possibility.

[Casey]

Some combination of A50, Elements, Raya, and Chemical Elements are maf.

Not even considering Lavender or Nono unless the game goes late.

Hellbooks and Marksman have me pocketed.

IV and Isis are precipitous in their celestial orbit.

Hiraki I am ignoring for my own personal health. I don't need another gaslighter in my life.

[Raya36]

Y'all, Elements needs to be the next dunk.

Anyone who hammers Hellbooks is claiming maf IMO.

I'm ok with elements being the next dunk

[Raya36]

Oh and my case on A50 is that he unvoted Wey when Wey was close to getting dunked, due to a "misunderstanding of playstyles." It's so fake that A50 resorted to smokescreening silliness and perversion to distract from it.

Okay, maybe I vehemently dislike A50 *and* he's scum. There's a possibility.

My vote on A50 is more a paranoia vote but I do agree with this

[innocentvillager]

Anyone who hammers Hellbooks is claiming maf IMO.

Can someone claim maf please?

[innocentvillager]

I see no dunk. Don't underestimate me

huehuehuehue I’m genuinely impressed feel like most people wouldnt finish at that rate

but it does feel like you skimmed/were a lot more selective with your notating after that good thing u did that huehuhue