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[VP Baltar]

actually VP- why the push on me and Blaze as opposed to Alduskkel? I legit forgot they were in this game.

He hasn't posted as much, so it is harder to read motivation. He's definitely wallpaper though.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I don’t have any particular objection to this wagon, but at the same time I’m kind of second-guessing myself and wondering how much of my read is unconscious OMGUS. And I’m not sure I want this to turn into a 1v1 like it easily could become if I were to vote there, not when it’s still early and there’s still plenty of players floating under the radar.

What wagon are you talking about? Because you're the lead wagon and if you don't have an objection to a wagon on yourself. . .

[VP Baltar]

are you going to respond with something of value or?

No clue what you want me to say. This is my third get back here after being gone for 7 years. Didn't know if day chat was site meta now since it wasn't in the old days.

[Snowblaze]

I don’t have any particular objection to this wagon, but at the same time I’m kind of second-guessing myself and wondering how much of my read is unconscious OMGUS. And I’m not sure I want this to turn into a 1v1 like it easily could become if I were to vote there, not when it’s still early and there’s still plenty of players floating under the radar.

What wagon are you talking about? Because you're the lead wagon and if you don't have an objection to a wagon on yourself. . .

I meant the VP Baltar wagon NPOM was trying to start, and yes, I am aware that one vote doesn’t really make a wagon.

[Billy Pilgrim]

The poor logic is that snow not hunting and being useless = scum.

And also that I’m not hunting and being useless because I don’t have strong scumreads on day one.

So what is the argument to not yeet you? We should trust you're going to do stuff later?

You keep saying you don't have strong scum reads...well who the hell does D1? You have to take some level of gamble. You're trying to hide behind the lack of info D1 to not actually do anything. That's excuse making and is scummy.

Now is your chance to give some thoughts. If not, then you need to go.

Baltar is giving me more confidence that they're town.

[Snowblaze]

Translation: "I know tess will flip town, so I'm going to find a spot to park my vote that won't draw suspicion D2"

Accurate translation: “I think Testarossa is town, let’s start a wagon on someone who’s more likely to be scum”.

Speaking of Andre, why is he not one of the worst votes on the Testarossa wagon?

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Billy: You're aligning yourself with the wrong side.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Ok im in the late 700s, that wagon built up fast. With the only opposition being NPOM.

[Billy Pilgrim]

@Billy: You're aligning yourself with the wrong side.

The wrong side of what?

[NoPowerOverMe]

The scummy side.

[Billy Pilgrim]

VP and Hell are definately scummy. DKK is not looking good but could be bad town.

Why is VP scum? And why did Icon drop out of your scumreads?

[Billy Pilgrim]

You want me to hammer someone without letting them even claim?

Uh... they claimed. Were you not paying attention?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I keep weird hours sometimes don't always catch everything.

[Billy Pilgrim]

also did snow claim with intent on them

Nope. Just at the first sign of E-1.

Correct, although in fairness, hellbooks for some reason told them to claim, which is like incomprehensible.

[DkKoba]

lol im walking away and getting shit done bc this situation is just annoying rn bc no one wants to listen to the very blatant case.

idk whos the 3rd scum 100% but im fairly sure that ico/testa are 2/3 scum.

i'd say it's 50/50 in NPOM / Baltar for last

everyone else im fairly sure is town although the lack of content from GB is unfortunate but also not AI bc he even slanked once as town .

[NoPowerOverMe]

DKK nust not have liked my read list.

[Billy Pilgrim]

VOTE: Testarossa im willing to compromise for this (:

This seemed to come out of left field. Can you explain?

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Janko

Less confident that DKK knows what they are talking about.

[Billy Pilgrim]

IM ACTUALLY GONNA BE MAD IF TERRA FLIPS TOWN BC IT WOULD BE KINDA EPIC WITH THE SPEED THE COUNTERWAGON HAPPENED. THE SPEEEEEEEED

Both these wagons build up very quickly, with some players doing both.

[Snowblaze]

@Billy: You're aligning yourself with the wrong side.

Don’t like this. This kind of binary narrative is very pro-scum (If VPB is town, it’s begging for a TvT tunnel) and it’s making me kind of paranoid you’re trying to pocket me.

[Andresvmb]

847 - @Snow, please explain how I’m “fence-sitting”. Please. I’m waiting.

{VPB, hellbooks, Me} as a Scum pool is, from my POV, pretty awful. And yeah, I’m still SR you Snow. But there’s too many TR’s being thrown your way from people I am TR’ing that I thought I would avoid your slot for now.

857 - @Testarossa I was somewhat swayed by the argument that you are being overly hedgy. I also find it interesting that you don’t seem to participate all that much in the game until you’ve been run up. And you’re right, it is a bit of a 180 since I did put you in my pool of players I would not vote for earlier. But much like Ico, I think it’s a personality thing - you’re careful and analytical from what I can tell, and I tend to TR that. But if I’m being honest, that’s primarily personality driven. Your 858 is valid, but I’m already suspecting NPOM and have repeatedly called him opportunistic, so I’m not surprised they voted you. You TR NPOM though (861) is, I would argue, kind of silly.

862 - you know, I have my convictions, but I’m also practical. There are some players I really wouldn’t vote right now [Datisi, VPB, DkKoba], and there are others that if enough of the people I am beginning to trust vote there, I will also.

And yeah, your Scum Pool is way too broad, so I’m fine with my vote. You have 7 players (865) in it, which is literally more than half the game.

The criticism about my “smooth” transition from Ico to Snow btw is quite ridiculous, given how hard I fought that fight just to get nowhere.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's a binary game. There is town and scum. I tend not to fence sit.

[Andresvmb]

Also, jankofan is Town. I feel like we’re vibing way too much for me to read janko any differently. Almost identical Scum Pools actually.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't like that VP just gave up on the snow wagon, and janko is town reading him for it.

[Datisi]

npom dedicates three posts to talking about how he missed the claim asking snow what it was. my intuitions about time management say that a cursory look at the last page would've been a lot quicker than writing three posts but i could see scum trying to emulate that sense of being idle and casual about the situation.

andres do you buy this?