Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[innocentvillager]

we are all experienced enough to understand that activity and forming semi coherent reads “advances the game” and looks good so it feels like scum!us should be able to do that too and have at least as much incentive to do so

I am probably fallacying myself somewhere with wifom since it’s late but ehh idk I still think your townread on that felt kind of lazy and vague ish

[innocentvillager]

I really don’t see any reason scum!Nash doesn’t write 79 as often as town!Nash does. Anyone can pass that off as analysis and cast suspicion on me

[innocentvillager]

yeah That was scary when I saw the VC lol

I guess townpoints to andres? he could’ve just not pointed it out? Similarly it would be nice to know who was here around that time and didn’t post but I guess we’ll never knowwwwww

in case this wasn’t clear this was a gut reaction and I umderstood soon after that I shouldn’t be giving townpoints to andres for this at all, I feel like I saw this somewhere too lazy to find quote and respond directly

[Clarity238]

what does good mean? townpost? why was it a townpost? i have so many question

This feels a bit weird to me - the 'does good mean townpost' part seems pretty obviously a yes.

lmao am I just casually at E-1

Should I claim?

or they could’ve just let a quickhammer happen potentially

but u right it’s probably not actually that town indicative

Unless I'm missing something, wasn't he at E-2 here? Andre just shifted his vote off IV.

oh I thought you were asking me what role I was thinking of claiming huehuehue (probably Cop or JK, that’ll always get a nice PR to go down with me). If I was scum. If I was town probably just my actual role or whatever

Nah I was just curious if people wanted me to claim because I was at E-1 and that’s what you’re supposed to do at E-1

I really don't like this post - the 'what you're supposed to do' part feels really shady to me, and the whole wifomish "here's what I'll do if I'm scum" thing feels off - why would you go into this detail as town?

Ouroel is town because I don't think scum would be as... spewy as he is?
UNVOTE: Ouroel
VOTE: innocentvillager

[Bellaphant]

I really don’t see any reason scum!Nash doesn’t write 79 as often as town!Nash does. Anyone can pass that off as analysis and cast suspicion on me

Fair, and it's not a post that's gonna cement a read through the whole game, but day one I like to form town reads.

[Ouroel]

I am less engaged than I should be: our and IV are just the types of posters I find hard to engage with.

A little too underengaged honestly. I too find IV/Nash especially hard to make judgements on, but I still at least try to.

but ns's reaction to me and convo with the bulge on this page (considering the last interaction they had where na thought tb was scum, and I've missed what changed)

You completely missed Bulge's conspicuous lack of engagement on his first post-wagon post?

[Ouroel]

we are all experienced enough to understand that activity and forming semi coherent reads “advances the game” and looks good so it feels like scum!us should be able to do that too and have at least as much incentive to do so

It's a lot harder to fake advance game as scum than it is to do so as town. Mainly because you have more information.

Town can literally say whatever the hell they want and it will feel genuine.

[notscience]

@bella- bulge is one of those people I’m going to interact with like that regardless of alignment to sort my shit out.

I could be wrong and he is town and if he is town I want to try to work with him/see where my read went wrong

Or he’s scum and I’m making him comment on everyone so we have buddy tells to look back for

[Ouroel]

Alr, here's my "normal game town isn't stupid" reads:

IV: leaning scum
NS: leaning town
Bulge: leaning scum
Clarity: neutral
Nash: leaning scum
Walter: leaning scum
AndresVmb: leaning scum
Bellaphant: leaning scum

and here is my "this is a regular game of town of salem" reads:

Maf are Nash/Clarity

Game throwers who just made their free salem account are IV/Bulge/Bellaphant

Good town is notscience

Dumb town is literally everyone else

[Ouroel]

Reasoning: Nash/Clarity are basically how I would play if I was a mafia player in Town of Salem. Being the only competent town players in the game, period.

IV/Bulge/Bellaphant are absolutely notorious for having ultra-low information density in their posts. IV is especially notorious for that.

notscience is SE and my instincts would tell me that she isn't actually maf.

rest of you act like those town people who wagon then guilty someone the moment you hear "I AM SHERIFF X IS MAFIA!!!!!!!!!"

[Ouroel]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12038175]I really don't like this post - the 'what you're supposed to do' part feels really shady to me, and the whole wifomish "here's what I'll do if I'm scum" thing feels off - why would you go into this detail as town?[/quote]
because he is new player seeking to metagame a notoriously hard to metagame game.

[Ouroel]

like when I look at IV's post, he almost never do the tearing down. he just shows his approval, or spills out his gut feelings. it's almost as if he is just completely disinterested....

but then again it's most likely normal new player behaviour.

sigh, the curse of daystart

[Ouroel]

The real problem is that my reads have a 40% chance to be wrong due to this low-information space that is known as a D1 newbie game. I'm thinking we should wagon Bulge or something
VOTE: bulge

[Bellaphant]

Why are you presenting wagoning bulge as new when you already were part of his wagon before you unvoted him, voted clarity, hopped off clarity and are now back where you started?

You don't seem to be tr-ing clarity so I'm trying to work out what's new and different..

[Ouroel]

a wagon is a wagon, and this entire town feels super scum to me. 7 days on the clock so might as well do a good wagon

[Bellaphant]

Ok, so why presenting it as a new idea, was the first half of my question.

[The Bulge]

UNVOTE:

I think it's super weird that nobody is engaging me aside from ns and yet the only reasons i can see for my wagon are low content posts. I'm super uncomfortable with how fast and easily it developed and the fact it's getting no resistance.

notty i don't know if you got my last post or not

VOTE: bella

[notscience]

I didn’t but I was also tired after work

UNVOTE:

Consider my vote on bella I’m waiting for a vote count

[innocentvillager]

ehh Our you’re not wrong that I’m kind of disinterested, I just haven’t really been vibing that much with this game rn for some reason

[notscience]

Prob because you’ve been memeing so much :p

[innocentvillager]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12038175]I really don't like this post - the 'what you're supposed to do' part feels really shady to me, and the whole wifomish "here's what I'll do if I'm scum" thing feels off - why would you go into this detail as town?

because he is new player seeking to metagame a notoriously hard to metagame game.[/quote]
lmao at how Our and Clarity both took my post literally

Maybe you’re right my memeing is getting too dangerous

[Bellaphant]

You could engage me, bulge. Talk to me. I do better one on one.

[innocentvillager]

NS, can you tell me the difference between your towngame and scumgame?

[WaltertheDunce10]

what does good mean? townpost? why was it a townpost? i have so many question

This feels a bit weird to me - the 'does good mean townpost' part seems pretty obviously a yes.

lmao am I just casually at E-1

Should I claim?

or they could’ve just let a quickhammer happen potentially

but u right it’s probably not actually that town indicative

Unless I'm missing something, wasn't he at E-2 here? Andre just shifted his vote off IV.

oh I thought you were asking me what role I was thinking of claiming huehuehue (probably Cop or JK, that’ll always get a nice PR to go down with me). If I was scum. If I was town probably just my actual role or whatever

Nah I was just curious if people wanted me to claim because I was at E-1 and that’s what you’re supposed to do at E-1

I really don't like this post - the 'what you're supposed to do' part feels really shady to me, and the whole wifomish "here's what I'll do if I'm scum" thing feels off - why would you go into this detail as town?

Ouroel is town because I don't think scum would be as... spewy as he is?
UNVOTE: Ouroel
VOTE: innocentvillager

Agrreed on the ouroel point
I agree, plus I think scum our would have scum chat to work out the meta instead of the game thread.
It is his attempt to understand how to read a different meta from tos.

[WaltertheDunce10]

like when I look at IV's post, he almost never do the tearing down. he just shows his approval, or spills out his gut feelings. it's almost as if he is just completely disinterested....

but then again it's most likely normal new player behaviour.

sigh, the curse of daystart

Ouroel, you do realize IV is no newbie right.
He has a lot of games under his belt.