Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[Raven Branwen]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34286

Here Lillith, Skitter. this is my scumgame. Do you think I sound anything even close to that here?

[Raven Branwen]

I have to say Lillith, that posting style thing really super triggers me. Not that I’m actually in love with any of Skitter’s reasons for doubting me but at least that doesn’t hurt my feelings. I just find it super unfair for you to keep picking on me for that. For whatever reason you are prejudiced against my posting style and I don’t think that’s okay. If you’re going to do this to me in every single game, it will be super unfun playing with you.

[lilith2013]

.........

This is not a personal attack, I think it’s somewhat expected that I just won’t vibe well with everyone’s writing and that should be okay for me to say?

[lilith2013]

Perhaps my wording could have been better but it also seems like you just take things super personally in general when it’s not necessarily meant to be personal. Like, I’m not saying that I don’t like you or that I think you’re a bad player or anything remotely close to that, I’m just internally debating whether the way you write throws me off enough that I’m possibly reading it as scummy.

[lilith2013]

I think you are overexaggerating my behavior, I don’t feel like I’ve picked on you at all or been “prejudiced,” all of my posting has been game-oriented and I’m not

doing

anything on purpose.

[lilith2013]

Honestly the more I read your posts the angrier I become because you’re making me out to be some kind of villain when the reason I even brought this up is because I’m trying to be fair to you as a player.

[skitter30]

What is even remotely scummy about my posting style? Don’t you think if I was actually scum here, I would have already hammered? *smdh*.

not if you're scum with aldu ...

[skitter30]

i don't think you said anything out of line, lilith

[the worst]

No, that f5 would be a mess what are you talking about?

how is that messier to solve than leaving us alive until f5?

[Something_Smart]

I am le back

Reading up in a few hours

[Raven Branwen]

Honestly the more I read your posts the angrier I become because you’re making me out to be some kind of villain when the reason I even brought this up is because I’m trying to be fair to you as a player.

It just really triggers me that you mention my posting style in general. I obviously don’t think you have bad intentions or you’re being mean in any sense of the word, so maybe it’s combination of the particular phrasing you selected plus you practically deathtunnelling me for literally pages in Lunacy, specifically because of my posting style, so it was like please not again sort of thing. Yes. I was extremely bothered by that, I probably should have told you that at the time. I just find it really hard not to take that personally regardless of intent, if that makes any sense? I’m also still not feeding well because I forgot to order my meals and haven’t been eating properly since Monday but I managed to do it in time, so I should be feeling a lot better after Monday.

[Raven Branwen]

What is even remotely scummy about my posting style? Don’t you think if I was actually scum here, I would have already hammered? *smdh*.

not if you're scum with aldu ...

So what would you have me do then? You did see where I posted my intent to hammer right but Lillith asked me to wait.

[Raven Branwen]

I want to wait for Lillith, since she said she didn’t want to rush this.

intent to hammer

whenever

@Skitter

[Raven Branwen]

i don't think you said anything out of line, lilith

It isn’t out of line but that doesn’t mean that I am wrong to take being sr for my posting style in general, personally. I can’t help it if that triggers me because it does but she is saying she doesn’t want to do that right? so I might have misinterpreted that but yeah I will never react well to ever being sr for my posting style in any game ever. It actually upsets me more than bad meta reads except I get hurt more than angry over it.

[Raven Branwen]

I think you are overexaggerating my behavior, I don’t feel like I’ve picked on you at all or been “prejudiced,” all of my posting has been game-oriented and I’m not

doing

anything on purpose.

I probably wouldn’t have reacted that strongly if it weren’t for Lunacy. Obviously if I remove Lunacy from the equation, my reaction would be overblown but I obviously can’t do that because I did feel like you were doing that to me in that game. Fair?

[Raven Branwen]

Anyway @Lillith, I really appreciate you clarifying.

[Datisi]

this is a lowkey prodge but

What is even remotely scummy about my posting style? Don’t you think if I was actually scum here, I would have already hammered? *smdh*.

not if you're scum with aldu ...

So what would you have me do then? You did see where I posted my intent to hammer right but Lillith asked me to wait.

not sure i get this? you're arguing as scum you would've hammered but then arguing you're not scum because you've given intent? i feel like i'm missing something in this convo

[Raven Branwen]

this is a lowkey prodge but

What is even remotely scummy about my posting style? Don’t you think if I was actually scum here, I would have already hammered? *smdh*.

not if you're scum with aldu ...

So what would you have me do then? You did see where I posted my intent to hammer right but Lillith asked me to wait.

not sure i get this? you're arguing as scum you would've hammered but then arguing you're not scum because you've given intent? i feel like i'm missing something in this convo

I gave intent but Lillith wanted to wait. If I was scum I would be trying to push some kind of agenda no? I’m very clearly not doing that although Skitter seems to think my not hammering is scummy because she - still don’t understand why - thinks I’m buddies with Aldus. Basically I’m willing to do whatever the majority wants, so I really don’t get the suspicion on me at all.

[Datisi]

so you're saying if you were scum with aldu, you wouldn't have given intent on him, but would've tried to push somewhere else, did i get that right? (i have not slept much pls excuse my illiteracy)

[Raven Branwen]

this is a lowkey prodge but

What is even remotely scummy about my posting style? Don’t you think if I was actually scum here, I would have already hammered? *smdh*.

not if you're scum with aldu ...

So what would you have me do then? You did see where I posted my intent to hammer right but Lillith asked me to wait.

not sure i get this? you're arguing as scum you would've hammered but then arguing you're not scum because you've given intent? i feel like i'm missing something in this convo

I gave intent but Lillith wanted to wait. If I was scum I would be trying to push some kind of agenda no? I’m very clearly not doing that although Skitter seems to think my not hammering is scummy because she - still don’t understand why - thinks I’m buddies with Aldus. Basically I’m willing to do whatever the majority wants, so I really don’t get the suspicion on me at all.

Quickhammering without giving intent and ignoring what others want me to do I think is very obviously scummy, since Lillith asked me to wait.

[Datisi]

yes, it is, which is why i'm confused why you're saying you would've hammered already as scum?

[lilith2013]

-

I thought I was scum in that game.

anything I said there, is like, going to be exaggerated for effect???
- I disagree with the claim that I was deathtunneling you
- I’m

not

saying that I’m scumreading you for your playstyle. if I’m scumreading you based on your writing style then it is 100%

unintentional

and

my entire point

is that I’m trying to assess whether I am in fact unintentionally scumreading you for your writing style so that I can then

not do that

- I don’t believe I have singled you out as a player or even picked on you, because, again, the reason I brought it up is because I’m trying to be fair
- given that Lunacy was the first game we were in together and this is the second, I think it’s reasonable for me to need at least one game played together before considering whether it’s a playstyle thing that made me scumread you. Now that we’re on the second game, I’m recalibrating my reads based on your play in both games. You keep bringing up Lunacy but like, I’m not sure how exactly I’m supposed to undo things I did in Lunacy, and on top of that I didn’t even know you so how on earth would I have known whether this is just how you post?

[Raven Branwen]

so you're saying if you were scum with aldu, you wouldn't have given intent on him, but would've tried to push somewhere else, did i get that right? (i have not slept much pls excuse my illiteracy)

I think Skitter is suggesting I want to avoid that wagon which is clearly not the case. Had Lillith given me the green light to hammer, I would have obviously done so. Yes that too, Skitter seems to think I’m either waiting to vote her or switch wagons, which is clearly not the case. I’m not hedging, I’m waiting for Lillith to tell me to hammer. So far, she has asked me to wait. Waiting for Lillith to give me the green light is is no way either scummy or agenda-y, is my point. Of course, either Lillith or SS can also hammer but that won’t be because I was trying to avoid doing so.

[lilith2013]

tbh I feel like getting into arguments as scum or with scum (or in this case thinking it’s as scum/with scum), you can’t take it personally once you find out their alignment because the thing you were upset about was them doing it on purpose as part of the game, you know? Unless it’s like a super personal attack

[lilith2013]

I’m waiting for SS to catch up.