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[chkflip]

That's maybe true if you look at my votes in a void without the context of literally anything else that happened in thread, but getting to you, Looker, and Nep is gonna have to wait about another half a day before I can get to it proper. Also still waiting on Titus to respond and I'll get to her and osuka regarding their votes.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 3.1

Not Voting(3)Dunnstral,Gypyx,chkflip,

osuka(3)Looker,

WaltertheDunce10

,Nepenthes,

Looker(2)osuka,superbowl9,

Titus

0verki11

(0)

Dunnstral(0)

chkflip

Nash

(0)

WaltertheDunce10

(0)

Gypyx(0)Titus,

superbowl9(0)

Nepenthes

redtea

(0)

No Execute (0)

With 9 alive it is 5 to execute, and 5 to No Execute.

Day 3 begins and ends in (expired on 2020-08-14 05:39:00) or when an execution has been achieved.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Alright, any views chkflip on who ?

[osuka]

Alright, any views chkflip on who ?

I’ve tried parsing this in at least 50 different ways, and none of them make sense. I’m convinced this is not English

[WaltertheDunce10]

lol
I am secretly an alien
Don't tell any one k

[WaltertheDunce10]

I have no idea what that was supposed to say.

[chkflip]

I've attempted stand up, it's why I'm a Stand Up Guy.

Titus is definitely smart enough to bus, it just doesn't read like a bus to me (which is one reason I'm looking forward to their VCA tomorrow). And as much as I'd like to point at Nep for one reason or another (coming straight in with the Truth vote, for example) something about their posting is ringing town to me. PoE.

I wanna hear all about this tomorrow

The truth wagon was town directed, thats something to pick apart when we see a flip

Talk to me, Nep.

literally just fucking iso me. my reasons for voting looker haven't changed from day 2

It's less that Idk your intentions and more I'm not certain I follow them as much today. I thought maybe the hammer was his bus attempt for last second town cred, but what's the scum motivation in saying he wanted Truth the least after hammering him? I believe worst and Nep had valid points regarding that in twilight.

VOTE: Osuka
I agree

Which parts do you agree with?

Also just a quick point, why did looker hammer truth even if he wanted to flip him the least out of all players, survivalism?

Absolutely it was survivalism. He said as much himself in his hammer vote. What do you think about that?

Also, i'm making a guess here, does truth insisting to get a claim from Nash (now chkflip) is a poor attempt from him to distanciate from his scummates?

Cuz like, as well as that i find chk's vote on truth to be weird, as there isn't any reason he mentions why he's voting him, and he even proceeds to push harder on looker, while voting truth, which seems a little contradictory to me

Not to be the pot calling the kettle black (by saying check my ISO when in this same post I just questioned osuka on that) here, but I absolutely called that out in some of my first posts in D2. I was hoping to get more from the playerlist before voting there myself; however, Truth just continued to scum it up before I could really get any more out of anybody else. The post just prior to my switching to Looker is what I was talking about when I switched.

Show me, though, where I pushed Looker when voting Truth, because I don't think that's anything more than a misrepresentation.

You say you're reading the the thread and that your ability to scum hunt is lacking. Unfortunately, you're going to have to dive into the wolves den here because we don't have time to have anyone shielding themselves with inexperience as we a) just lynched one player who newb carded the thread up as much as they possibly could've, and b) have these instances where you're claiming to have misread things like a vote count (which is pretty cut and dry) wherein you voted the counterwagon instead of scum.

Alright, any views chkflip on who ?

I'm

assuming

you're asking for my opinion/reads.

I still only have Dunnstral as town by way of gut and tone of posts. I have no other solid town reads aside from maybe Nep and Titus but an experienced player can always make it seem like they're mindmelding with town. And I think I've yet to play a game with Titus where I didn't go full China on her and assume she's guilty until proven innocent. I want to believe I can read the woman but honestly I don't really think that I can. Though I think she may be on to something here:

VOTE: Gypyx

This is a placeholder while I wait for Titus and replies.

[Nepenthes]

Im here tonight chk

[Titus]

My activity drops much lower on Saturdays. Those are my DnD days.

I'm seeing Osaka and superbowl as possibly aligned pairs. Same for Neph and Looker. I doubt the remaining scumteam would have one from each pairing. One of the four with one of Chkflip and Gypyx is a possibility. Chkflip and Gypx are also not likely partners because of chkflip immediately voting Gypyx once Gypyx expresses suspicion. chkflip + Looker is still a possibility.

My Gypyx read is gut but I'm a little worried about chkflip, ngl. 1) chkflip hasn't gone after me and 2) Chkflip pushed for Looker and only changed after I speculated he could be scum.

Dunn needs to post.

That's a TLDR of where I'm at with scumteams.

[Gypyx]

I've attempted stand up, it's why I'm a Stand Up Guy.

Titus is definitely smart enough to bus, it just doesn't read like a bus to me (which is one reason I'm looking forward to their VCA tomorrow). And as much as I'd like to point at Nep for one reason or another (coming straight in with the Truth vote, for example) something about their posting is ringing town to me. PoE.

I wanna hear all about this tomorrow

The truth wagon was town directed, thats something to pick apart when we see a flip

Talk to me, Nep.

literally just fucking iso me. my reasons for voting looker haven't changed from day 2

It's less that Idk your intentions and more I'm not certain I follow them as much today. I thought maybe the hammer was his bus attempt for last second town cred, but what's the scum motivation in saying he wanted Truth the least after hammering him? I believe worst and Nep had valid points regarding that in twilight.

VOTE: Osuka
I agree

Which parts do you agree with?

Also just a quick point, why did looker hammer truth even if he wanted to flip him the least out of all players, survivalism?

Absolutely it was survivalism. He said as much himself in his hammer vote. What do you think about that?

Also, i'm making a guess here, does truth insisting to get a claim from Nash (now chkflip) is a poor attempt from him to distanciate from his scummates?

Cuz like, as well as that i find chk's vote on truth to be weird, as there isn't any reason he mentions why he's voting him, and he even proceeds to push harder on looker, while voting truth, which seems a little contradictory to me

Not to be the pot calling the kettle black (by saying check my ISO when in this same post I just questioned osuka on that) here, but I absolutely called that out in some of my first posts in D2. I was hoping to get more from the playerlist before voting there myself; however, Truth just continued to scum it up before I could really get any more out of anybody else. The post just prior to my switching to Looker is what I was talking about when I switched.

Show me, though, where I pushed Looker when voting Truth, because I don't think that's anything more than a misrepresentation.

You say you're reading the the thread and that your ability to scum hunt is lacking. Unfortunately, you're going to have to dive into the wolves den here because we don't have time to have anyone shielding themselves with inexperience as we a) just lynched one player who newb carded the thread up as much as they possibly could've, and b) have these instances where you're claiming to have misread things like a vote count (which is pretty cut and dry) wherein you voted the counterwagon instead of scum.

Alright, any views chkflip on who ?

I'm

assuming

you're asking for my opinion/reads.

I still only have Dunnstral as town by way of gut and tone of posts. I have no other solid town reads aside from maybe Nep and Titus but an experienced player can always make it seem like they're mindmelding with town. And I think I've yet to play a game with Titus where I didn't go full China on her and assume she's guilty until proven innocent. I want to believe I can read the woman but honestly I don't really think that I can. Though I think she may be on to something here:

VOTE: Gypyx

This is a placeholder while I wait for Titus and replies.

POV : Chkflip votes truth while pushing on looker i mean, even if you don't call that a push, you can't deny that you were voting looker and switched to truth without giving any reason why looker is higher on your town list

well, i'm not sure about the survivalism, i kinda see looker!scum do that in a world where either : his scummate is already on the wagon and therefore can't ahmmer for him, or his scummate has firmly placed himself as anti-lyching truth,

which would go against a bowl/looker, and maybe more softly a suka/looker scumteam in my opinion

but there is also odds that it's just town!looker choosing to lynch someone that has odds to be scum rather than a 100% conftown guy to him (himself)
it was also done as a reaction test to be fair


and yeah, i'm trying, but my point is that i'm bad at scumhunting

and to be fair, it's not the first time where i just make a major misread of some post, i can link you some examples if u want

[Gypyx]

My activity drops much lower on Saturdays. Those are my DnD days.

I'm seeing Osaka and superbowl as possibly aligned pairs. Same for Neph and Looker. I doubt the remaining scumteam would have one from each pairing. One of the four with one of Chkflip and Gypyx is a possibility. Chkflip and Gypx are also not likely partners because of chkflip immediately voting Gypyx once Gypyx expresses suspicion. chkflip + Looker is still a possibility.

My Gypyx read is gut but I'm a little worried about chkflip, ngl. 1) chkflip hasn't gone after me and 2) Chkflip pushed for Looker and only changed after I speculated he could be scum.

Dunn needs to post.

That's a TLDR of where I'm at with scumteams.

so basically if i get what you're saying right the teams you have in mind are :

Osuka / Bowl

Neph / Looker

(Osuka, Bowl, Neph, Looker) / ( Gypyx, Chk)

<- really intersted to see what's your reasoning behind this one

and teams you rule out are

(Osuka, Bowl) / (Neph, Looker)

<- same here

Gypyx / Chkflip

just trying to lay everything down

[Gypyx]

kinda wanna vote chkflip there but i'm not really sure about myself there

[Nepenthes]

Superbowl you and Looker are oil and water but your scumread is offbase
What do you think about chk today

[Nepenthes]

Chk i want to know why you didnt think titus was bussing and what problem there was with my starting off with a truth vote d2

[Nepenthes]

Your gypyx vote doesnt grab me and im not seeing where you get the titus townread from
But I think shes scum less than i did yesterday

[Nepenthes]

My Gypyx read is gut but I'm a little worried about chkflip, ngl. 1) chkflip hasn't gone after me and 2) Chkflip pushed for Looker and only changed after I speculated he could be scum.

Ok Titus you got points for this one
But im not following you onto Gypyx for gut
Osukas the scum youre looking for on that train

[Nepenthes]

and this is a sad misrep as well. i'd like to extend my prompt to looker to you as well - please point out where i'm totally disinterested in exec'ing truth yesterday

i don't have particularly high hopes for that one since you've shown yourself completely incapable of original thought so far

Oh lol i missed this post
Read your own iso
Youre blowing hot air and resorting to lame insults of my play when all youve done this game is push a townie and come up with reasons why Truth was a bad wagon

[Nepenthes]

Okay, so I don't see the Dunnstral stuff as being anything less than genuine scumhunting. I agree that there could potentially be a maf in osuka/looker, but gun to my head I don't think it's osuka off of today's play. Maybe it's the fact that he resembles my typical style but it reads town to me as well. So my surface level reads so far aside from the obvious IC clears and the cop inno I'm willing to town bucket Dunn and osuka so far. If Walter wasn't IC I'd town bucket him for his post about being disappointed in his D1 play. I'd also town bucket Gyp for a reason I already don't remember off my skim. I'll look back again to find that post if you'd like but you inno'd him, so, I don't think it matters that much.

The more I look at Truth the more I see newb!scum. The aversion to being "honest," the awkward 2-team question piling in with the other newb card self-awareness he keeps doing just isn't sitting well with me rn.

What do you think about superbowl?

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• Are OMGUS's no longer scummy? Can anyone tell me why osuka and superbowl both tried to dogpile me? It didn't come across in what they posted. Redtea's absence and no one calling him out on it is kind of suspect to me, coupled with superbowl switching out our names before going V/LA himself. These reticent non-voters aren't really helpful either.
  
• If we had 13 players and 3 are scum, that's about one out of four players. We had superbowl vs bugspray and osuka vs psyche - by the odds one of superbowl or osuka should be scum. I don't see how the worst could be so confident that osuka is not.
  
• Does anyone know why superbowl voted me before running away?
  
• Does anyone feel that Dunnstral has an actual "list"? Of course I'm paranoid/bias because he's targeting me, but I would expect 'I don't want to vote other people' to bring about a little more questioning.

lol this is a scumpost

I’m down to vote truth or looker this game, leaning towards looker because truth just plays such a weird game that it’s honestly kind of entertaining

Still voting truth but shifting away

VOTE: looker

Momentum moves to Looker, good opportunity to finally shift away from the bus

i'm not moving my vote from looker. most of his content-heavy posts are full of completely cold takes and nothing else, and he keeps saying the obvious. truth is a distraction _regardless_ of alignment because the slot is so fucking weird that no manner of common sense can help sort it in the slightest

overly defensive about the paranoia bullshit which, frankly, comes more often from town than it does from scum (because scum don't have to worry about being pocketed at all and manipulated nearly as much as town), and the fact that he hasn't pointed that out yet is frankly puzzling

Justification only comes later complete with another "no point in voting Truth" post

Lip service to the truth bus but he didnt really want it if he could help it
Anger after the hammer was also weirdly timed for someone who aparently didnt care about Truth that much

[Nepenthes]

Clickthrough the quotes for timing context its important

[WaltertheDunce10]

I now think osuka is # 2 scum,
Letys book it.

[chkflip]

2) Chkflip pushed for Looker and only changed after I speculated he could be scum.

POV : Chkflip votes truth while pushing on looker i mean, even if you don't call that a push, you can't deny that you were voting looker and switched to truth without giving any reason why looker is higher on your town list

So you're both just flat out ignoring the part in that vote switch where I acknowledge (after having asked Dunn) that my town read probably has a better read on the slot than I do?

Fascinating.

[Nepenthes]

Im curious abt your other reads Walter
Dunn chk Titus? And Gypyx too

[chkflip]

Chk i want to know why you didnt think titus was bussing and what problem there was with my starting off with a truth vote d2

I don't recall having a problem with you voting Truth. I was agreeing and pointing out the Truth may be scum before you were even on the wagon OR in the game. Where are you getting this from, exactly?

Your gypyx vote doesnt grab me and im not seeing where you get the titus townread from
But I think shes scum less than i did yesterday

Her paranoia of me is a bit reassuring, honestly. I think she immediately went after me in our last game where she was scum and I was 3p (so not aligned together) but didn't as much when we were both town. This reads more like the latter than the former and I'm trying not to Nero Cain her here where I just always scum read her no matter what. I'm trying to, uh, what's the word I'm looking for OH GROW AS A PERSON. Heh.

As previously stated, my votes more a good faith placeholder to see how Titus reacted/responded and I think I'm good with leaving it here for the moment while I look over some things.

[Nepenthes]

Titus is definitely smart enough to bus, it just doesn't read like a bus to me (which is one reason I'm looking forward to their VCA tomorrow). And as much as I'd like to point at Nep for one reason or another (coming straight in with the Truth vote, for example) something about their posting is ringing town to me. PoE.

Here

[Nepenthes]

Her paranoia of me is a bit reassuring, honestly. I think she immediately went after me in our last game where she was scum and I was 3p (so not aligned together) but didn't as much when we were both town. This reads more like the latter than the former and I'm trying not to Nero Cain her here where I just always scum read her no matter what. I'm trying to, uh, what's the word I'm looking for OH GROW AS A PERSON. Heh.

In hindsight Titus has more going for her than others
Her last post was towny and her move onto Truth makes sense