Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 2.2

Blair

(1): Dunnstral

Dunnstral

(1): Blair

Nosferatu

(1): Battle Mage

ready2rock

(1): Mafia Goon

Battle Mage

(1): Nosferatu

Not voting

(3): CantLynchAPuppy, midwaybear, ready2rock

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-16 21:37:00)

Notes:

• Battle Mage is V/LA for the weekend.

[CantHateAPuppy]

umlaut page top? how could we allow this to happen?

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: ready2rock

[midwaybear]

Your argument is, "Blair couldn't possibly misread me like this."

Is this invalid?

[Blair]

Your argument is, "Blair couldn't possibly misread me like this."

Is this invalid?

Either I'm right* or he's wrong.**

* = Blair is right, Dunnstral is scum

** = Dunnstral is town and therefore wrong, Blair could actually misread him

[Blair]

apathy kicking town ass rn

also ngl reading this game feels like i'm looking at a blob of "meh" with a few light trs (hi inno, hi blair) thrown in there which makes parsing through it all feel like my brain is turning into goo. i don't know what that means mafia is doing other than either blending in or just... not playing right now which means we're all kind of half-heartedly pointing fingers at each other hoping something sticks.

that sentiment implicates nosferatu, dunn and r2r if going off of like, strictly numbers. of them i like nosferatu the most bc of that dunn/blair thing. i think r2r isn't look the best but i vibed with some of their points regarding bm thus the unvote. i don't think it's foolproof like they are town 100% of the time but i can follow their logic without having to twist and reach for it so i don't wanna vote them rn

peepin the meh block aka {launchy, midway, goon, battle mage}

Vote Count 1.11

Ydrasse

(3): midwaybear, innocentvillager, Nosferatu

Dunnstral

(2): Blair, ready2rock

Blair

(2): Dunnstral, Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon

(1): Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

Not voting

(1): Battle Mage

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-04 23:30:00)

Vote Count 1.13 (FINAL)

Ydrasse

(6): innocentvillager, Nosferatu, Mafia Goon, midwaybear, Battle Mage, ready2rock

Blair

(1): Dunnstral

Mafia Goon

(1): Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy, Blair

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

wagonomics say its the kidd
VOTE: battle mage

I don't hate this actually.

[ready2rock]

Sleep schedule's messed up and haven't had the chance to check in. I'll be around with something when I get up (around 10-12 hours from now)

Been quite torn between Blair and Dunn this whole day phase

[midwaybear]

Idk I thought Dunnstral was trying to suggest that you should be better at reading him and that you were being unfair in a scummy way.

[Nosferatu]

waiting for weekend to end so that battle mage can scumpost in his response so i dont have to scumhunt his ISO~~~

Been quite torn between Blair and Dunn this whole day phase

i quite literally refuse to believe its not TvT given that dunn being scum would imply we wagoned both scum in d1 and even after being gone two years i dont have that much faith in the town meta of this site

[ready2rock]

umlaut page top? how could we allow this to happen?

VOTE: ready2rock

Look I'm sorry I'll try not to let him get pagetop next time

Anyways, still feeling uneasy about Blair, so VOTE: Blair

[Dunnstral]

Your argument is, "Blair couldn't possibly misread me like this."

Is this invalid?

Either I'm right* or he's wrong.**

* = Blair is right, Dunnstral is scum

** = Dunnstral is town and therefore wrong, Blair could actually misread him

You are going about this in a non-genuine way

[Blair]

1. I proposed a hypothesis ("Scum would probably disappear during the counterclaim discussion and resulting scun-launch yesterday").

2. I collected data ("I reread and Dunnstral stopped posting then and didn't post again until the next phase").

3. I drew a conclusion ("Dunnstral could be scum").

At which point in my internal logic did I stop being genuine? Why do you think so?

[Umlaut]

Mafia Goon was prodded.

[Mafia Goon]

Tempted to policy launch redrock for allowing Umlaut to grab that PageTop.

redrock, why are you torn between Dunny and Blair. Why are you sus of them individually speaking?

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 2.3

ready2rock

(2): Mafia Goon, CantLynchAPuppy

Blair

(2): Dunnstral, ready2rock

Dunnstral

(1): Blair

Nosferatu

(1): Battle Mage

Battle Mage

(1): Nosferatu

Not voting

(1): midwaybear

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-16 21:37:00)

[ready2rock]

Dunn:

-As I've pointed out in day 1, has not played in a way that has been beneficial to town, and I think still lacks anything of real substance in his iso
-Is now doing what I perceive to be an OMGUS push on Blair. If he's got a more substantial case, I haven't seen it

Blair:

-Had a push on me day 1 that felt really scummy (a FoS with no reasoning or case to go along with it) that other people promptly just jumped on, and then she didn't provide any case or reasoning until everyone else already had
-Retracted vote and hammer, and was advocating for a counter wagon instead on midway, who she hadn't shown any suspicion or taken much notice towards since almost 10 pages before that
-Is now trying to push a case against myself and Dunn, two fairly popular day 1 targets

(if you want elaboration on any of these points, let me know, I'm just trying to summarize to avoid a big wall)

My vote is on Blair because I think the more calculated feeling behavior sets off alarm bells for me moreso than the anti-town behavior

[CantHateAPuppy]

just checking in to say i have nothing really new to say in response to the nothing really new that's been said

since nobody's joining blair in her dunn wagon and there are more votes on her i think she has the responsiblilty to pick a different wagon

but maybe she can stubbornly convince me that i'm 100 wrong and i need to join her

[Blair]

You're 100% wrong and need to join me.

[Blair]

Blair:
-Had a push on me day 1 that felt really scummy (a FoS with no reasoning or case to go along with it) that other people promptly just jumped on, and then she didn't provide any case or reasoning until everyone else already had

We've been over this one already. Again, if you really believe (you don't) that I didn't have reasoning and was waiting to plagiarize someone else's, you need to reexamine whether or not you are approaching me in good faith.

-Retracted vote and hammer, and was advocating for a counter wagon instead on midway, who she hadn't shown any suspicion or taken much notice towards since almost 10 pages before that

Weve been over this, too. I had very clear progression here, and it wasn't at all constructed as a scummy "Let me engineer a way to get myself out of a bus" would be.

If you think it was, feel free to explain how. Until then, this point is just a bad-faith "correlation = causation" argument.

-Is now trying to push a case against myself and Dunn, two fairly popular day 1 targets

Here's a crazy idea: Maybe I'm not pushing those reads because they were "popular" yesterday - maybe I'm pushing these reads because they were

my reads yesterday

.

Again, bad-faith "correlation = causation" argument.

If you're town, you aren't engaging me in good faith at all - and it's demonstrably not just a laziness thing, because several of these have already been addressed and you haven't adjusted your arguments to account for that at all.

[ready2rock]

OK, I'll clarify point 1 real quick because I didn't state my implication clearly enough. I'm not trying to say that you were presenting suspicion without a case because you didn't have any reasoning at the time and were trying to plagiarize off other people. Moreso that you cast the suspicion to leave bait there to see who would take it, and see if a wagon might be able to catch on, then not need to take responsibility for starting the wagon, because after all, you weren't the first vote or were the one who the case yourself.

Points 2 and 3 are trickier because I think you're a smart player and aren't going to outright slip, and that you'd be able to fabricate a realistic looking progression for yourself as scum, which is why I'm looking more at the actions and seeing whether they're plausible to come from scum, and the actions themselves are a convenient position for scum to be in.

[ready2rock]

My eye is also starting to be on the people who are kind of fading into the background during this day

[midwaybear]

My eye is also starting to be on the people who are kind of fading into the background during this day

This seems like a convenient way to get out of arguing with Blair.

[Nosferatu]

ya hes quivering in fear

already caught scum p much wrap it up

[CantHateAPuppy]

who specific is fading into background

[ready2rock]

I'd say mafi is a bit at the moment (though I've been reading him as town), and Nosferatu

I didn't unvote, my vote is still on Blair, and I feel that if I were scum I'd have given up this push a long time ago after the first 2 or 3 times because it hasn't been gaining any traction from people, but I'm continuing because it's helping me get a better feel of my read.

ya hes quivering in fear

already caught scum p much wrap it up

I didn't know BM was caught scum

Midway what are your reads on people?