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[Raya36]

Official Vote Count 1.18

Senecio Peregrinus "String of Dolphins"

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

bob3141

(5): VP Baltar, hellbooks, Andresvmb, jankofan, NoPowerOverMe

Testarossa

(1): Alduskkel

jankofan

(6): Datisi, bob3141, Testarossa, Iconeum, Billy Pilgrim, GeorgeBailey

NoPowerOverMe

(1): DkKoba

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-13 23:15:00).

Mod notes:

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[Alduskkel]

the posts i've been reading while catching up have not made me feel any better about NPOW

[jankofan]

hang ico after me

lol no

koba, here's the thing. ico is town. without me, you're not getting him through. either start convincing me why ico's scum, or it's not happening.

what's with these dumb arrogant posts @datisi?
you act like you're the gatekeeper of ico or something lol
anyway bob is actually scum. read their iso and you'll see the survival tactics. get them, not me

[DkKoba]

Dkk switching to janko after it was said they'll look less town if Bob flips green doesn't look great on dkk.

if anyone is pocketing anyone its janko pocketing me and they'll learn v fast that is a big mistake bc i will make u spew ur whole scumteam if u pocket me.

ya ok lol

[hellbooks]

shit shit. sorry forgot about this.

panic claims ....

what does that tell us

tbf -- i explicitly raised the possibility of her claiming if she wanted to

JESUS Christ. the game doubled in size since i last read this

Tbh Snow feels kind of a bit more like defeatist town than scum that is more or less accepting her elimination. But that is more gut.

scummy thing to say~
DK & alduskkel switching off of snow is p towny if snow is town
slightly lesser for datisi cause he was already on-wagon and didn't have the hammer opportunity
obv all preflip but it's also crucial to note that they did that if snow ends up being scum too
george bailey has been laying criminally low tbh... feel like we could just nuke george bailey

Oh well, so that happened. At least this time sooner than later. Since hellbooks is scumreading me too I consider myself as pretty much dead. Going to take a look at my wagon.

don't be so sure, hellbooks vanished into the mountains for like three days : D

kind of getting paranoid about dkkoba's excitement posting tbh. plausible theater
theyre still a p strong townread

Literally everyone still on the snowblaze wagon is pretty solid town reads from most people in the game. A magical testarossa counter wagon emerges from nowhere to stop this elim?

Naw, dawg.

I need to spend some time today to closely dissect what happened, but now I'm more confident in testarossa town. Snowblaze is scum.

at this timestamp i am still slightly happier with a snowblaze wagon

i think her sorting is genuine and i don't see an agenda behind her posting.

The agenda behind my posting: be as Hot as Possible

[DkKoba]

not to townslip or anything but i forgot hellbooks was in this game lol

[DkKoba]

now im getting nomination mafia flashbacks ):

[Datisi]

i actually have an idea of how to read ico, which you keeo sidestepping and not interacting with while in the same breath claiming your reads are ShAlLoW

pedit: lotta posts hi hellboks

[Alduskkel]

Using the word "but".

Got it.

Vote snow 2020

Strawmanning 101

bob's entrance is Bad but I'm not seeing it as Scummy.

lot of pointless arguing on pages 49-53

bob's posts on page 54 feel very reachy though

ico's case on janko, gif'ified

Spoiler:

i'm done taking a backseat in this game boys and girls
ya'll can either push me because *reasons*, townread me and help me push this scum, or sort me based on whatever you want

janko opens with a scumread on me while only having read the last couple pages of the game, on which i haven't posted on several of those



when asked to explain that scumread, janko resorts to 'but i actually read the entire game'
This translates to Iconeum catching scum faking a read, which looks very similar to:



datisi begins to push back on Janko's scumread, saying the reasons are NAI at best. But that doesn't suit our friend janko, so it explains in a LOT of words, not very much:

janko, do you think getting annoyed at people pushing you is scum!indicative?

talk to me friend

hey there! umm its context dependant and playstyle dependant. on the whole no, both alignments probably tend to get annoyed at being pushed. Although town might be annoyed i feel like they have a strong focus in and around scumhunting and that should be visible despite their frustration. Whereas, scum can just get a bit tunnel visioned defending themselves and having a lack of general awareness about the game and other slots since they naturally have to manually direct energy toward scum hunting since they feel defending themselves and tunnel visioning on their own pressure are more vital prospects. Whereas town are naturally inclined to scum hunt and task themselves with figuring out whether those pushing them are scum. I feel like scum would focus more on the pressure/push arguments (like what i think icon is doing) whereas town would also be visibly focusing on the persons pushing them and who is scum in general.

which basicly translates to: yes ur right datisi it's not AI except for now when it is

vp was reacting to stuff similar to how i would in their catch up post, and I'm seeing sincere motivation and perception behind andres' posting

npom could be scum. "missing" snows claim and asking her what it was instead of just scrolling back and finding it is giving me scum pings. seems to be "active lurking".

anyway i'm sheeping koba's list and would vote to hang in {testa, ico, npom}

it is simply NOT POSSIBLE to scumread both me AND npow at this stage. You just spent a lot of effort in showing why my push on npow is scum!motivated, which left no room for you to be able to read it as a S vs S interaction. Yet 2 of your 3 scumreads are exactly that.

I'm townreading you because i feel like you're pushing me and it feels like you really want to be right about your take on me and that motivation and the tone that comes with it are obviously town

absolutely not a legit take when your number 1 scumread is your townread's (top?) townread, if you know what i mean

I think the reason I'm tring snow is that she seems like she'a actually introspecting and also that she seems focused on things that people who are solving tend to be focused on

you keep scumreading me despite you townread datisi who is YELLING at you that i'm town, and I've been hard townreading snow TOGETHER with you but i'm still scum with no room for re-evaluation?



and then we have the great switch

bob pushing me if scum is an attempt to pocket datisi. thinks my townread on snow was a white knight attempt which only works if you're scum reading me independently since its ascribing scum motivation to otherwise normal actions.

snow's exit/Bob's entrance were also scummy

this is E-1 (deja vu)

VOTE: bob

weren't you just townreading this slot? i'm very curious what exactly was so scummy about both the rep out AND the rep in

there is only one (1) conclusion



VOTE: janko

this. i like this.

[hellbooks]

The comment that I am lurking when I am one of the most active players is a joke.

could be scum self conscious defense

Why is asking how many scum are in the game scummy?

feels like its moderately more plausible for scum to fake asking this question than for town to genuine ask this question
kind of more a probabilities thing than a circumstantial evidence thing tho
+ not rly factoring into my read at this point

VP doing a big testa defense also should be noted (so i am noting it, for myself)

You think the scum play when you're being wagoned is to townread your counterwagon then try and start a counter-counterwagon on someone that left you for your counterwagon? I mean I'm missing the scum motivation in that play specifically.

Yes.
this like happens

Hi d k koba!! hi datisi! my faves~ i forgot i was in this game 2.

[hellbooks]

im so excited to find out who thee fuck bob is

[jankofan]

I'm out, gl town if i'm hanged. town is koba andres and datisi. ico bob and Billy are pinging me scum. VP and GP seem closer to town. hang ico or bob after I'm gone. tyx ciao

[DkKoba]

btw theres a big reason why im pushing a npom wagon rn and it will be obvious to those who reread on d2/d3 if im not around to explain. (if it succeeds ill be happy bc that slot has just been happily skipping along on the sidelines the whole game LOL)

[jankofan]

also for those scumreading npom me and him are not scum partners so.... yeah food for thought

[DkKoba]

aldu give me cross hammer u wont ragret

[Alduskkel]

are you asking me to vote janko or vote NPOW?

[DkKoba]

well if we get enough ppl to have intent to want to switch to NPOW we can flip the wagon
sorta like ranked choice voting perse

[DkKoba]

but i want u to vote bob so i can have hammer on both of them :3

[NoPowerOverMe]

You just ith jango and you're somehow pushing my wagon?

[hellbooks]

Can someone who is not Koba tell me if scum always have day chat? The fact that it needs to be in the rules makes me think not...

i think its fairly common but not necessarily assumable
i'm not fully plugged in to the Mafia of Today tho
i'd glance at it but not say its a scumslip

ok with GB lurking? no. but I know that GB is genuinely a busy person so im not going to fault them for not being as active as myself. and regardless i have them outside my pool based on PoE

if, not today but on a future day, i rallied a dedicated push on George Bailey what would u do
how would you defend him
why is he town

THat was like 8 months ago. Get with it.

lol

call me crazy but in my experience, 3 scum dynamic is easier to solve, if not at least get 2/3 early on over a 2 scum one in my experience in chat mafia. The struggle more lies in trying to coordinate town when theres 3 mafia available to distract and mislead

so did someone inform u there were 3 scum in a mini orrrrrrrrrrrrr

I think testa/NPOM/janko has 2 scum in it

testa + jankz is not fully out the question for sure
given this dynamic tbh

Do females use the term bruh? I think you just revealed your gender

Holy shit there are so many things wrong about this post what even....why???

+1

catch up in a few hrs

o hey its me

[Andresvmb]

Uhm, this is risky business with NPOM outside of Janko right now.

[jankofan]

ok hellbooks is town as well

[DkKoba]

"o hey its me"

IS IT WEIRD TO TOWNREAD BASED ON JUST THAT ONE LINE LMFAO

[NoPowerOverMe]

I've never heard a girl say bruh but I understand the error of my ways.

[DkKoba]

well im neither a girl nor a boy so excuse me for not wanting to be misgendered or have to deal with misogyny / transphobia in a game im playing