Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[dramonic]

Also I'm willing to let Marashu off the hook for the time being.
And Dann is trying to steal my shtick and it's very unbecoming.

[Dannflor]

I see what you're getting at with that quote dramonic, but tbh I don't think it's that indicative of anything

I don't think calling an extremely over-simplified stat dumb necessarily means Haven is salty because she's scum

if I'd never heard about that before and someone tried to use that to scum read me I'd likely call it dumb too

[Dannflor]

What was Marashu being scum read for and why are they now off the hook

[Marashu]

Not in the US, but sharing a time zone with them.

Oh cool, north or south?

I missed this earlier. North.

Imma briefly step out of thread to give it a chance to breathe

I’m also interested in what the other slots who have been uninvolved in this are thinking, but those three are like those I’m most interested in hearing from

I'm thinking it's exhausing, first of all. But then when I try to make my way through it, here's where I'm standing. I don't really like how Mena came to his conclusion initially (I have my own thoughts on it that I am willing to share after the game concludes if people are still interested), but it got pressure going so I don't mind that. Hiraki's post 167 felt really, really defensive to me. I think it's more common for town to get really defensive that way than scum, from the games I've played in. The one thing that's keeping me from saying that it was a town post is that he was shading Mena right at the end of that post.

I want to review Dann's posts in the morning. I am too tired for this. But I'm not really liking how teacher is being so moderate on the subject, though that may be because of how toxic the last game I was in with him was.

Also I'm willing to let Marashu off the hook for the time being.
And Dann is trying to steal my shtick and it's very unbecoming.

What have I done that changed your mind? In fact, I don't think I ever got an answer for you to explain your thoughts on teacher, either.

pedit - oh, it looks like I missed the post right before (224). But I'd still like to hear dramonic's thoughts on teach and what has changed.

[dramonic]

What was Marashu being scum read for and why are they now off the hook

What have I done that changed your mind?

Nothing, but there's only 4 scum in the game so obviously I'm scumreading someone wrong and the other 4 are scummier. Bask in that glory while you can!

That entire argument between Teacher, Dann and Hiraki felt amusingly phony, but ya gotta appear like you're doing

something

or people will catch on amirite?

[Dannflor]

why is everyone in this game more focused on producing sassy one liners than actually engaging with people

[dramonic]

Engaging with scum is mostly white noise.

[Dannflor]

we have very different philosophies

or maybe just different levels of self-confidence

[dramonic]

On a serious note, More than half the game has less than 10 posts and 4 players have 2 or less. At least my sassy one liners are a quick read.

[TripleHaven]

On a serious note, More than half the game has less than 10 posts and 4 players have 2 or less. At least my sassy one liners are a quick read.

I have absolutely no interest in responding to the whole hikari-menalque situation here as i'm eventually just going to end up getting heated about it. I kinda wish we had a vig.

[TripleHaven]

Engaging with scum is mostly white noise.

How do you find who scum is then? lmao

[Gypyx]

Ok this beggining is chaotic... idk what to think about all that

[Gypyx]

I have a medium town read on dannflor, but apart from that i don't really have much else

I think that hikari / mela situation is just a reaction test that spiraled out of control

[teacher]

I think that hikari / mela situation is just a reaction test that spiraled out of control

What specifically was the reaction test - who did it and how? Hiraki three away that explanation as they left, and I didn’t see it/like it.

[Marashu]

Ugh, sorry, V/LA for probably the next day or so. I keep having complications with some oral surgery that was done 2 weeks ago.

[Hiraki]

Could you try this again. I can’t parse your narrative at all, and want to.

there is nothing to rephrase here

I now think you're scum that has been "caught for the wrong reasons" and that's why you're so frustrated. Of course, a townie can get mad for getting scum read for shit reasons too, but they usually try to sort the people scum reading them as well. The aggression feels like a mask for your alignment.

git gud

What specifically was the reaction test - who did it and how?

did you read the wiki?

[Gypyx]

I think that hikari / mela situation is just a reaction test that spiraled out of control

What specifically was the reaction test - who did it and how? Hiraki three away that explanation as they left, and I didn’t see it/like it.

I think that this is the reaction test

Spoiler:

quote="In post 125 , Hiraki"]

What is it in the 5 posts that I made after receiving my role PM that you believe was so strongly scum indicative?

Why do you care? You're already calling me scum, right?

I mean, yes, I am, but I think if I’m wrong and you’re town that the best chance of me realising that will be if I can see how you got to where you are even if you’re wrong

Which has nothing to do with why you're voting me, okay okay

pre-Edit: you literally gave out a forced readslist lol, very NAI[/quote]

And this is what tells me that this is a reaction test :

Spoiler:

I have no idea what you’re getting at with the whole dictionary thing

I found it! Overreaction!!

Of course it's a pretty bad one, given how varying can the reactions be, but i don't think it necessarlly means much

[Gypyx]

Oh ummm, should've previewed damnit

[Testarossa]

I am not really sure how to weigh in this Mena/Dann/Hiraki conversation as it looks a little bit like a personality clash too I think. At least Dann/Hiraki.

Now after reading through for the first time I liked Dann. His questions feel like there lies some intention behind to understand Hiraki's motive. I also mindmelded similar about Haven (160) and to an extent Dunn (78), minus the meta knowledge.

One thing I am wondering here is how your read has evolved here, dann? I mean you were considering Hiraki already in 148 and 151 as caught for wrong reasons, immediately after your vote, which is the conclusion you reached later in 222. It doesn't really seem like it has evolved? Or were you considering he might also has been stubborn town? Although you weren't really leaning on that either if I understood you right.

[Testarossa]

Menalque's original reason for voting Hiraki can actually be pretty easily resolved. Shame we can't weigh in on this anymore. But going by what I saw from Menalque so far it's nai anyway and it got the ball rolling, so what. I think I can relate to his confusion for Hiraki's push on him, also don't think he overreacted (where?). Him taking a step back, when he looks imo better in that conversation is slightly positive.

As for Hiraki, he misinterpreted Dann's 148 imo, but going by the fact how he even doubled down on that it seems at least genuine. The reaction test thing is eeeh, like Mena's vote wasn't even a reaction to it nor was there much to come out of it either.
Hiraki, can you explain why you think Mena overreacted in a scummy way? Is it just the semantics argument about it painting as a "hard push"?

[Testarossa]

The only ISO that I actually had to reread after catching up was teacher's.

On first glance I liked you interrogating Hiraki about several points. But on second thought I don't really get out of your participation in this where you stand in all of this? Like I get Mena's and Dann's angle in this as they are scumreading Hiraki, but what about you? Your questions are focussed only on Hiraki in this, so I assume you are more or less on the same wavelength with them? (it's what I interpret between the lines)

What did you mean with Mena harping too much over this issue in 185?

[TemporalLich]

VC 1.4

TripleHaven (3) - Almost50, dramonic, Marashu
Hiraki (3) - Menalque, Dannflor, Umlaut
Menalque (2) - teacher, Hiraki
Almost50 (2) - Testarossa, Gypyx
Umlaut (1) - TripleHaven

Not voting: Dunnstral, Crush

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Marashu is V/LA for probably the next day or so.

Marashu is V/LA for probably the next day or so.

[Hiraki]

Is it just the semantics argument about it painting as a "hard push"?

Have you ever felt that someone was pushing hard on you after saying you were scum four times without ever showing any proof on Page 5 of the game? Also there is legitimately nothing that would make you scum and you've even said this in the thread but the

hard

push was so

hard

that it was scummy.

There is no semantics issue here. It's an overreaction to nothing. It's scum paranoia.

[dramonic]

Your reasoning is weird, but the conclusion is sound, so IDC

[dramonic]

Engaging with scum is mostly white noise.

How do you find who scum is then? lmao

I don't need to interact with you to see you interact ya cupcake.
You're literally the only person who I don't need to convince that you're scum.