Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

You're saying it wasn't a hard scum read now, is that the case?

you are a fucking comedian

being a dick when people genuinely try to ask you questions isn't a way to avoid a long walk off a short pier

[dramonic]

ok, TO BE FAIR- most of my games are turbos (16 minute/8 minute) games and nobody takes them seriously.

the only time town wins these types of games is if scum is obvious or isn't playing well

That would explain your earlier stated winrates

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean by now my read has evolved

I now think you're scum that has been "caught for the wrong reasons" and that's why you're so frustrated. Of course, a townie can get mad for getting scum read for shit reasons too, but they usually try to sort the people scum reading them as well. The aggression feels like a mask for your alignment.

I just think hiraki doesn't know when to stop acting like an asshole

maybe I'm wrong and this is him acting in earnest, in which case I'm very upset this is his "normal" form of interacting with people

[TripleHaven]

LOL
VOTE: dramonic

Are you done votehopping yet?

I've voted 4 people this game
two of which weren't even serious votes

[Gamma Emerald]

also if this is him just interacting normally I do think that lends credence to what Dann said

[Hiraki]

You're saying it wasn't a hard scum read now, is that the case?

you are a fucking comedian

being a dick when people genuinely try to ask you questions isn't a way to avoid a long walk off a short pier

asking the same question multiple times is a good way to irritate me

[dramonic]

LOL
VOTE: dramonic

Are you done votehopping yet?

I've voted 4 people this game
two of which weren't even serious votes

You've voted 5, 3 of which in the last 12 hours.
And they were serious until someone called you out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it just the semantics argument about it painting as a "hard push"?

Have you ever felt that someone was pushing hard on you after saying you were scum four times without ever showing any proof on Page 5 of the game? Also there is legitimately nothing that would make you scum and you've even said this in the thread but the

hard

push was so

hard

that it was scummy.

There is no semantics issue here. It's an overreaction to nothing. It's scum paranoia.

Okay I can actually get this

and yeah from what I'm seeing in the post preview window I'm right about what Hiraki was doing

[TripleHaven]

LOL
VOTE: dramonic

Are you done votehopping yet?

I've voted 4 people this game
two of which weren't even serious votes

You've voted 5, 3 of which in the last 12 hours.
And they were serious until someone called you out.

either way your point is stupid and me voting a lot of people is irrelevent to my allignment unless you want to convince me otherwise

[TripleHaven]

LOL
VOTE: dramonic

Are you done votehopping yet?

I've voted 4 people this game
two of which weren't even serious votes

You've voted 5, 3 of which in the last 12 hours.
And they were serious until someone called you out.

either way your point is stupid and me voting a lot of people is irrelevent to my allignment unless you want to convince me otherwise

like do you *actually* have a problem with me voting a lot of people or do you just want to keep shading me

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would you think that Dram, who is scummy, would give out correct reads?

has Menalque answered this
I wanna chime in if he has

[Hiraki]

Why would you think that Dram, who is scummy, would give out correct reads?

has Menalque answered this
I wanna chime in if he has

Yeah, I think he does. It's not a good answer.

[Marashu]

I feel like Mena's been looking at meta a lot this game, moreso than the one other game I played with Mena.

Hi marashu, where do you think I’ve been looking a lot at meta this game?

Your initial read on Hiraki was meta, but because that has been redacted so is this one. 394 has you looking at meta to invalidate reads. I thought I remembered more, but the only other case is with teacher, which teacher brought up first. So I take it back - I remember being surprised at 394 and also remembered your read on Hiraki, which is probably why I felt that way.

PEdit - @Gamma, 271

[Dannflor]

Menalque, why are you town reading me?

[dramonic]

LOL
VOTE: dramonic

Are you done votehopping yet?

I've voted 4 people this game
two of which weren't even serious votes

You've voted 5, 3 of which in the last 12 hours.
And they were serious until someone called you out.

either way your point is stupid and me voting a lot of people is irrelevent to my allignment unless you want to convince me otherwise

like do you *actually* have a problem with me voting a lot of people or do you just want to keep shading me

Kind of a loaded question. You're scum, so I don't actually care what you do. I'm just pointing out the scumplay and it's a dime a dozen with ya.

EDIT: ~actions in previous games do not excuse actions in this one~

[Gamma Emerald]

Bets are open about how many appeals to the crowd we'll get from Menalque before she flips scum

You can still get your money in teach!

Oddly, when I missed Mena's meta-angle case on Hiraki, my thought was that the overescalation was scum theater between the two of them. But I dont think he makes that detailed case on a partner. Nor do I think gives me a hard town read rn as scum. My playstyle (at least historically) often led to day 2/3 suspicions forming a consensus on me as null-scum, and thus a simple push to save for later/leaver yourself open to. The post as a whole didnt feel planned/pockety, so for today at least Im not suspicious of him (I have too much respect for his scum game to take a harder stance than that.)

okay how was the meta thing mena posted detailed at all
the only meta I recall was the replace out stuff, which a) wasn't even dealing with Hiraki, but BP, and b) boiled down to elli tell/RWSTFO, not really what I'd call detailed
nevertheless A for effort, despite that confusing me I like the thought shown in this post

[Gamma Emerald]

okay I just figured out how "meta" got involved, menalque wasn't commenting on Hiraki's meta in particular at all. He was talking about Hiraki being behind on site meta, i.e. how certain plays and behaviors are viewed by the general playerbase

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Mena's been looking at meta a lot this game, moreso than the one other game I played with Mena.

Hi marashu, where do you think I’ve been looking a lot at meta this game?

Your initial read on Hiraki was meta, but because that has been redacted so is this one. 394 has you looking at meta to invalidate reads. I thought I remembered more, but the only other case is with teacher, which teacher brought up first. So I take it back - I remember being surprised at 394 and also remembered your read on Hiraki, which is probably why I felt that way.

PEdit - @Gamma, 271

nice

So like, obviously scum has to find the other team to avoid a tie/kingmaker/happy-ever-after situation, but that does NOT mean they have to be honest about what their reads are, given that they can just shoot players they think are on the opposite team if that's how they want to play. There's probably a degree of honesty to any scum's reads, but it's warped to fit their agenda

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't particularly scumread this but I understand where you're coming from. I certainly did notice it, just became annoying.

Intentional or not this is ironic as hell

[Gamma Emerald]

(I have too much respect for his scum game to take a harder stance than that.)

OOF
My kingdom for a dayvig

no

that's actually a very reasonable thought to have, rather than be cocksure about menalque being town, teacher understands menalque's skill as scum and is thus providing a grain of salt for any townread he has on menalque

[Gamma Emerald]

... he's calling you an idiot.
And im not literally threatened I was just responding to "ask dunn how that turns out"

VI exists for a reason :fp:

[Gamma Emerald]

no - you are not missing anything and the fact that you think calling him scum 4 times is "baiting" him into a scumreading me for doing so is just why i don't think it's worth talking to you anymore.

please read the entire post if you want to understand the two people and how they come into play. i just did it and i got annoyed because i was being babyish. i'm not explaining it. your hint is that it's clearly melanque and me and i don't know how i have to explain more than that

okay I think I understand why Hiraki first responded to me the way he did
he didn't want me muckraking the situation and putting him back into that mood he was in before

[Hiraki]

i didn't think you would tbh, just hoped you would find the same read on melanque. sad!

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s been a minute for that one. Glad we keep the literal geriatrics around for the reminders. Good memories.

that's...not that old of a song?

I understand Daft Punk have been around for a decent amount of time but I wouldn't expect them to play on an oldies station

itt I get suddenly sidetracked by music

[Gamma Emerald]

i didn't think you would tbh, just hoped you would find the same read on melanque. sad!

I think I actually do agree, and if I didn't have someone else I wanted to vote more I'd probably vote him when my catch-up wraps up
(yes I do already have someone I want to vote more)

also I'm pretty solidly thinking you're town now fwiw