Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

dramonic does not believe in such petty and useless things as "sorting people" or "playing mafia"

Scumteam A:
TripleHaven
Menalque

Scumteam B:
Dann
Teacher

Town:
The rest


There, sorted. Can we stop trolling around yet?

@umlaut: asking for people's opinion without actively broadcasting your own is an illusion of content and a poor man's excuse to not put themselves in the spotlight.
And yes, I am always like this

yawn

[Gamma Emerald]

no sorry i sort of agree with teacher there dram, you could always have 5 scum. you'd just be wrong about someone

then again...10 years...

thank you

[Gamma Emerald]

could someone who isn't in dramonic's scum list ask dramonic for the "why" behind his reads please and thank you

ok
dramonic why are your (scum)reads the way they are

[Gamma Emerald]

no sorry i sort of agree with teacher there dram, you could always have 5 scum. you'd just be wrong about someone

then again...10 years...

Of course I can be wrong, I'm not the mod, but I gotta work with what information I have right now, and that information is two blatant scum and two players whose posts are almost as numerous as they are vapid.

I would mostly not try to lynch teacher or dann today, even if they are scumreads right now, because the reasoning for their scumminess is not as sound as the one for Triple/Mena (there are empty shells of townies out there and PoE without a full playerlist is beyond shaky), but someone has to fill the mantle of scum #3 and #4 and I've no active suspicions elsewhere currently.

To be clear, just because I'm saying someone is town doesn't mean I'm not reading their posts, I will gladly reevaluate when new information surfaces.

nope

[dramonic]

no sorry i sort of agree with teacher there dram, you could always have 5 scum. you'd just be wrong about someone

then again...10 years...

Of course I can be wrong, I'm not the mod, but I gotta work with what information I have right now, and that information is two blatant scum and two players whose posts are almost as numerous as they are vapid.

I would mostly not try to lynch teacher or dann today, even if they are scumreads right now, because the reasoning for their scumminess is not as sound as the one for Triple/Mena (there are empty shells of townies out there and PoE without a full playerlist is beyond shaky), but someone has to fill the mantle of scum #3 and #4 and I've no active suspicions elsewhere currently.

To be clear, just because I'm saying someone is town doesn't mean I'm not reading their posts, I will gladly reevaluate when new information surfaces.

nope

yes actually

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you explain the Dram read? I agree he's being weird but I don't see the scum angle.

He just like, hasn’t felt meaningfully scumhunty to me? Like, my definition of scumhunting doesn’t include “pick 4 names and loudly shout that they’re scum”

Idk, I’m mulling it over in light of him finally having come up with reasoning for why haven is scum. I don’t think I’m very persuaded by it at a glance, but I’m thinking about whether this is just a thing of join date rather than scum

I guess the confounding factor is that hiraki has a simile join date, is playing in a similar way, but I do think is actively scum. I guess I’m working through whether it makes sense for dram to have simile takes to hiraki!scum if he’s town?

similar takes don't really mean much I think
but like, Hiraki is town too so you've already got the wrong equation written out, it's just a matter of how far from the right answer you end up being
also I think someone commented that this was really close to finding the actually issue with dram and I agree

[Gamma Emerald]

Him flipping scum feels too good to be true

Why?

It's almost too easy
their reaction to their wagon has been terrible
their tone is general is bad

maybe read the part where they mentioned getting into a bad state of mind lol

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t really think hiraki coming across as a dick is AI, even though I do find it unpleasant

I think it’s much more that his reasons for scumreading me were fabricated and then changed under interrogation

no they actually check out
you're just not woke enough to accept it

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I kinda like Dramonic. They are at least producing content/providing reasoning behind reads (hey, Hiraki, any time you want to hit up 295 that would be grand). While I disagree with their takes, I can see the reasoning and I like the different perspective. I also dont really feel like they're misrepping.

I have to question this reasoning you're seeing, dram has reasons for some of her reads but I think some of those reasons are just, like, not okay?

[dramonic]

It's been years and you still misgender me

[Gamma Emerald]

Was testa scum or town in that game?

I'd think this obvious
this is why Thor665 has the thing that he does in his signature. People getting too caught up in second guessing this sort of obvious stuff

PEdit: sorry but your avatar just makes me think you're a she
it's too cute I'm sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

okay I just figured out how "meta" got involved, menalque wasn't commenting on Hiraki's meta in particular at all. He was talking about Hiraki being behind on site meta, i.e. how certain plays and behaviors are viewed by the general playerbase

scratch this

I took a much more recent post than I should have for this

[Gamma Emerald]

You don't get to be scum and say "oh it's my meta, I have immunity!" ya funny lad

X

[Gamma Emerald]

It is frightening how little some of you differentiate between intent and content. Just saying.

How is this relevant

It's relevant cuz you havent been lynched yet.

@teach: at work, will respond on break

zzzzzz
actually didn't you say you weren't engaging with scumreads? What are you doing with teacher then?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay why do you consider that important/best done through keeping your reads to yourself?

Do you have a better way of protecting your own Townreads from the NKs?

I don't fully remember you being this egotistical? I remember similar stuff to this, but not quite this exact behavior, albeit that's mostly just time away
like you're not the only person with townreads, I don't think one persons reads are going to sway scum that hard

[dramonic]

It is frightening how little some of you differentiate between intent and content. Just saying.

How is this relevant

It's relevant cuz you havent been lynched yet.

@teach: at work, will respond on break

zzzzzz
actually didn't you say you weren't engaging with scumreads? What are you doing with teacher then?

I'm having second thoughts about teach. I said that actually.

[Gamma Emerald]

But more importantly: Why would you care whom I TR anyway? What's it to you? You should only care about whom I'm SRing and why. No?

What???

this is super obtuse, even for you. Why would someone

only

care about your SRs? Is this some advanced shading method?

[Gamma Emerald]

It is frightening how little some of you differentiate between intent and content. Just saying.

How is this relevant

It's relevant cuz you havent been lynched yet.

@teach: at work, will respond on break

zzzzzz
actually didn't you say you weren't engaging with scumreads? What are you doing with teacher then?

I'm having second thoughts about teach. I said that actually.

okay then

[dramonic]

Nvm, I thought I'd said it but apparently not?

[Gamma Emerald]

The moral of that story is kill it with fire before it can kill the town.

Edit: one is her scumbuddy

this view is super duper basic
could also be opposite scum just arguing in bad faith

in fact it's not just "super duper basic", it's downright scummy
I'll get into why once I cast my vote, which will come with a summary of what strikes me as the scummiest parts of what dramonic has done

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I'm caught up now so I'll throw out my vote
VOTE: dramonic
now for the why, there's a whole lot I could probably get into but 2 posts deserve immediate mention.

no sorry i sort of agree with teacher there dram, you could always have 5 scum. you'd just be wrong about someone

then again...10 years...

Of course I can be wrong, I'm not the mod, but I gotta work with what information I have right now, and that information is two blatant scum and two players whose posts are almost as numerous as they are vapid.

I would mostly not try to lynch teacher or dann today, even if they are scumreads right now, because the reasoning for their scumminess is not as sound as the one for Triple/Mena (there are empty shells of townies out there and PoE without a full playerlist is beyond shaky), but someone has to fill the mantle of scum #3 and #4 and I've no active suspicions elsewhere currently.

To be clear, just because I'm saying someone is town doesn't mean I'm not reading their posts, I will gladly reevaluate when new information surfaces.

This is just not how town scumhunts at all? No one should have to "fill the mantle" of scumread spots. This isn't genuine sorting, it's manufactured cookie-cutter sorting. The exact thing I called Not_Mafia out for in a past multiball mini open (Fire and Ice setup), where he ended up flipping scum. So I have history of catching scum with this.

The moral of that story is kill it with fire before it can kill the town.

Edit: one is her scumbuddy

In addition, I've seen this "they're X person's scumbuddy" comment a few times from dramonic, and it's not good either. It speaks to a mindset of only really hunting for one team, which is what scum would be doing. Pretty sure Dunnstral also caught onto this somewhat, though he opted to vote teacher instead.

[dramonic]

It speaks to a mindset of watching them buddy inthread actually, but okay

[Hiraki]

You don't get to be scum and say "oh it's my meta, I have immunity!" ya funny lad

X

explain this - i agree pretty hard with what dram is saying here

this is super obtuse, even for you. Why would someone only care about your SRs? Is this some advanced shading method?

Agreed - except for the super obtuse even for you part. I see this behavior out of A50.

Okay I'm caught up now so I'll throw out my vote
VOTE: dramonic

ahh there it is

see i remember that we used to disagree on a lot of things but then we'd find common ground and we were having much too much common ground this game

[dramonic]

Apparently I don't know how to scumhunt

[Gamma Emerald]

explain this - i agree pretty hard with what dram is saying here

it's not that hard to understand? Hiraki wasn't talking about his meta at all there
site meta is essentially how the site views certain plays or whatever, things such as "Eliminate all lurkers" and such.

also, well f*** you too
(not really that mad, just don't know why you decided to go for a cheap shot and feel kinda hurt)