Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[dramonic]

This is just not how town scumhunts at all? No one should have to "fill the mantle" of scumread spots.

You're just wrong here.

In case you missed it (I know you didn't), it's multiball, there's a second scumteam that needs to be caught here and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make that happen. That's like playing a game with a third party, catching that third party and saying "my work here is done"

[Gamma Emerald]

This is just not how town scumhunts at all? No one should have to "fill the mantle" of scumread spots.

You're just wrong here.

In case you missed it (I know you didn't), it's multiball, there's a second scumteam that needs to be caught here and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make that happen. That's like playing a game with a third party, catching that third party and saying "my work here is done"

yes there's a second scumteam but you're literally just calling people scum to check boxes, like wtf is that supposed to serve

[Gamma Emerald]

to expand, I've never really seen town take such a tack of ensuring they have X amount of reads

I'm not the foolish newbie I was in Family Mafia, I understand that town have have variable amounts of scumread, townreads, and/or nullreads and it's a natural thing. Explicitly aiming for 4 scumreads, and arbitrarily (afaict from what I caught onto catching up) splitting them into two teams, super early into D1? That does NOT read natural to me.

[dramonic]

There's no point in expanding on extracurricular scumreads beyond what the setup can carry. I have to lynch the first 2 anyways and by then there will be plenty more information to go around. You just assume I've no reads beyond the 4 because it fits the N_M narrative you wanna give me.

Also there's nothing arbitrary about the split, I've made it really clear that I think Haven and Menalque are scum together since like post 46.
"But dram, you said you weren't sure about Menalque being scum in 103!"
Fine then ya muffin, I've made it clear Haven is scum, and that Menalquescum is her buddy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I "assume" such because you've literally been playing the way I am saying you are. Why was 5/4 such a bad thing, huh??? If you were telling the truth right now that wouldn't have been an issue for you earlier, because you don't need to be specific about your reads. Unless, of course, you're faking it and need to construct a narrative to look more believable.

You wanna know what engaging with scumreads does? it allows you to bury them when they can't come up with a good lie to explain away your suspicions.

[dramonic]

While we're here discussing my super special lack of reads beyond 4 scum{tm), what are you thinking right now beyond me? Hard to tell since you were posting as you did your read through (and I'm too lazy to read over it again)?

Also missed 549 in the page jump: Menalque is saying my view of meta is outdated leading me to bad reads. That's preeeeeeeeeeetty much trying to defend against my scumread of him by screaming meta.

EDIT: 5/4 is bad cuz it means im gonna mislynch someone at some point? Hello?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I see what you mean on Menalque, though I was already suspecting him a bit (that also answers your question to an extent). As for 5/4 leading to an ML, not if you're lucky/able to sniff out the proper reads.

[Menalque]

Menalque, why are you town reading me?

I liked your initial engagement with me about you being reachy and then it cemented from when you were sorting hiraki in that conversation afterwards

[Menalque]

Hi gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi

I kinda think you rolled scum this game

[Menalque]

Okay do you wanna talk about why that is

[dramonic]

I think I see what you mean on Menalque, though I was already suspecting him a bit (that also answers your question to an extent). As for 5/4 leading to an ML, not if you're lucky/able to sniff out the proper reads.

I don't like mislynching. It means I was wrong.

[Menalque]

You townreading hiraki and scumreading dram doesn’t make sense to me

[Menalque]

*sighs in timezone*

[Menalque]

Dann, teacher
Umlaut, testa, dram
Triple, marashu
A50
Gypx, dunn
Gamma
Hiraki

[Menalque]

I think gamma’s rep in/catch up is quite scummy but I’m willing to listen to whatever he has to say on me in case it makes sense

But I kind of think this is exactly the trajectory he’s take as scum, especially if crush!slot were partnered with hiraki and I think it explains why the gamestate felt odd — like no-one really explicitly townreading hiraki but no-one making an effort to defend him

[dramonic]

like no-one really explicitly townreading hiraki but no-one making an effort to defend him

[dramonic]

what part of "I really don't like the wagon on Hiraki, who's probably one of the townier player in the game rn if you actually look at what hes doing as opposed to flailing hysterically because he's abrasive." makes you think I don't explicitely townread him?

[dramonic]

sorry for triple-post, but "like no-one really explicitly townreading hiraki but no-one making an effort to defend him" I assume is not what you meant to say there, cuz unless someone townreads him they wouldnt defend him either.

[Dannflor]

Menalque, why are you town reading me?

I liked your initial engagement with me about you being reachy and then it cemented from when you were sorting hiraki in that conversation afterwards

How likely do you think it is I can fake that as scum?

It might seem weird but my main point of concern with your slot is how little you seem to be paranoid about me.

[Menalque]

what part of "I really don't like the wagon on Hiraki, who's probably one of the townier player in the game rn if you actually look at what hes doing as opposed to flailing hysterically because he's abrasive." makes you think I don't explicitely townread him?

@dram

I don’t think that you’ve really been defending him tho, and I think it would be too on the nose for you to be partners as opposed to one of you playing to the other for support

[Menalque]

Menalque, why are you town reading me?

I liked your initial engagement with me about you being reachy and then it cemented from when you were sorting hiraki in that conversation afterwards

How likely do you think it is I can fake that as scum?

It might seem weird but my main point of concern with your slot is how little you seem to be paranoid about me.

Probably p likely?

Idk what to tell you dann, I’m just not as paranoid as I used to be. Do I think theoretically you could just be fooling me? Sure. If we flip town twice does my level of unease about my townreads shoot way up? Also yes. But you seem town to me today and I’m just like choosing to not interrogate that or to spiral about it because OMg wHaT iF hE’S a DeEpWoLf tHo

[Menalque]

I wanna say someone else (maybe datisi?) recently had a similar thing about how I just wasn’t paranoid about her despite normally being hyperparanoid

I can try to dig that up if you like?

[Dannflor]

no thanks, cold meta isn't really my thing

that was more or less the answer I was looking for. More just curious about whether this was just your mindset about approaching reads or if it was something specific to do with how you were reading me this game

[Menalque]

It’s a recognition that paranoia wasn’t really doing anything for me other than making me enjoy the game less