Mini Normal 2157 | Mason PT

[Billy Pilgrim]

Hey, that's pretty cool. We got the deepwolf y'all. So uhhh Dats you're gonna sacrifice yourself for the cause today so you may wanna put a vrumb down that isnt as obscure. Actually our associative are pretty obvious without a new one.

[Datisi]

i don't think anyone's gonna have the guts to counterclaim one of you as mason. and even if they do, the third mason is gonna jump out. i think save the crumbs so the third mason can confirm themself.

i think ico can maybe be made out to look like a mason buddy of mine with how hard i was defending him on day one. i hate to be setting up dragon to eat a nightkill, but...

[Datisi]

we chill with me fakeclaiming something first? 1-shot loyal neighborizer sounds interesting to me.

[Datisi]

also, how ~slow~ do we wanna play this? i've never had a guilty before lmao

[Billy Pilgrim]

Like what would his fakeclaim be? Your neighborizer may be the solid play here though because his answers (ascetic or the one that comes up scum - which may not be allowed in a normal) would not answer the tracking result. Or would the tracker result return a guilty for that weird role?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Miller. Thats the role I was thinking of

[Datisi]

the only things that he can claim that are answers to loyal-neighborizer!me failing to neighborize me:
(1) he's ascetic or a commuter (we know this is false)
(2) he was rolestopped (we know this is false)
(3) i am rolelocked (we don't know if this is false or not, but it's probably a lie)
(4) he calls me lying scum.

i'd be hoping for (1) or (2). regardless of his answer, i'm gonna trueclaim tracker soon enough after, but if (1) or (2) happens, then he's pretty cemented as scum.

[Datisi]

i mean, "trueclaim" tracker. i forgot for a second.

[Billy Pilgrim]

the only things that he can claim that are answers to loyal-neighborizer!me failing to neighborize me:
(1) he's ascetic or a commuter (we know this is false)
(2) he was rolestopped (we know this is false)
(3) i am rolelocked (we don't know if this is false or not, but it's probably a lie)
(4) he calls me lying scum.

i'd be hoping for (1) or (2). regardless of his answer, i'm gonna trueclaim tracker soon enough after, but if (1) or (2) happens, then he's pretty cemented as scum.

Miller was the one i was worried about and according the the wiki, the normal miller only returns guilty to a cop.

[Datisi]

a miller is still town-aligned, it doesn't have an effect on loyal/disloyal modifiers. but if he wanna claim miller, all the better.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Is NPOM scum pushing to wagon town!Bob or is NPOM just town that does weird strange things and has ideas based in what I would call moon logic?

[Datisi]

think early day one. ico attacked npom, baltar attacked ico. what do you think is more likely, chainsaw or white knighting?

though the scum pool *is* getting narrower and narrower...

[Datisi]

- alive peeps:

Testarossa
DkKoba

Datisi

Alduskkel
bob3141
Iconeum

VP Baltar

Andresvmb
NoPowerOverMe

hellbooks

Billy Pilgrim

strict PoE is 2 of {testa, koba, aldus, bob, icon, andres, npom}
- i still wanna townread ico. i don't think bob/baltar is s/s. i kinda doubt baltar would jump in to chainsaw his buddy on like page 5.

{testa, koba, aldus, andres}
vaguely in that order of towniness?
was i right on andres on day one...

[Billy Pilgrim]

Baltar has experience with NPOM and knows his alignment. So probably white knight. I mean he was gonna try and spin the mis-elim for towncred when NPOM flipped town. He knew that town would mis-elim him so chainsaw would probably be riskier in that scenario

You seeing that the way I am?

[Billy Pilgrim]

As for the timing question you asked, I'd give it a bit. Let everyone weigh in. Guilties derail the conversation real quick and it would be nice to see where Baltar wants the conversation to go.

What do you think the odds are that scum have a watcher? Does Baltar normally go this long without posting?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Also, because you're gambiting, this may end up exposing one of us. It should be you hellbooks.

[Datisi]

gotcha. i'll just be around to make sure a quick wagon doesn't spring up on bob. i'm lowkey afraid of quick lynches.

it's deifinitely possible scum has some sorta watcher or voyeur. however, if they saw you visit baltar last night, there isn't really anything we can do about it. just close our eyes and hope that's not the case.

pedit: i doubt it will, claiming i'm a mason will be the last line of defense if literally everything goes wrong.

if you'd like, i can straighforward just claim tracker. or maybe better yet, claim a vague "guilty" and make him guess what investigative roles we are.

[Billy Pilgrim]

gotcha. i'll just be around to make sure a quick wagon doesn't spring up on bob. i'm lowkey afraid of quick lynches.

it's deifinitely possible scum has some sorta watcher or voyeur. however, if they saw you visit baltar last night, there isn't really anything we can do about it. just close our eyes and hope that's not the case.

pedit: i doubt it will, claiming i'm a mason will be the last line of defense if literally everything goes wrong.

if you'd like, i can straighforward just claim tracker. or maybe better yet, claim a vague "guilty" and make him guess what investigative roles we are.

Nah, the gambit alleviates some possible bullshit defense fakeclaims.

[hellbooks]

YOU GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hellbooks]

ok gotta pretend i dont know about the track

[hellbooks]

Also, because you're gambiting, this may end up exposing one of us. It should be you hellbooks.

what should be me? sorry im not following

[Datisi]

in case my "claim loyal neighborizer then tracker" gambit backfires and i need to confirm myself to be a mason, i'm going to claim to be masons with you.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Also, because you're gambiting, this may end up exposing one of us. It should be you hellbooks.

what should be me? sorry im not following

We'll talk about it later.

I'm liking how this discussion is going down. Andres completely writing VP out of his execution pool is a real strong associative probably not likely to come from a partner, right?

[Billy Pilgrim]

in case my "claim loyal neighborizer then tracker" gambit backfires and i need to confirm myself to be a mason, i'm going to claim to be masons with you.

But that only happens if when she owns the initial gambit, that people start to trust Baltar over her.

[hellbooks]

oh yeah definitely yeah i'll take the fall