Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Almost50]

And I will explain why I ask after you respond

[innocentvillager]

i kind of hated that dunk but it was necessary

it's hard to know who;'s scum when ur townreading everyone

sorry ive kind of just given up

[innocentvillager]

yeah nono is my new innocent child

I will (probably) quit mafia for a year if this guy flips red

i retract i am no longer this confident in nono

still TR him tho

Casey also TR,, marksie too ~kek

scum in {Isis, Leader, spicer, Lav} ?

yeah i have no idea anymore

[innocentvillager]

oh I forgot A50 i think he's town too

[Hiraki]

i think my biggest regret this game is that i still don't think any of the mislynches were bad

and while i know that's not an excuse for taking an L here (which i'm pretty confident this becomes) it just annoys me

[Casey]

I have no votes I think, you can vote me if you wannoo. There's wiggle room

Nah. Raya & A50 are more likely partners with Hiraki than you. Heck even IV would be more likely than you.

Casey, how well do you know me? Do you have other alts you may have played with me before? (I don't need you to out such alts. Just to confirm ir deny you have played with me)

I have nono experience with anyone in this game. I don't have any alts.

[Casey]

i think my biggest regret this game is that i still don't think any of the misdunks were bad

They were legitimately terrible and this AtE is... Ugh.

VOTE: Unvote: Hiraki

Last chance. Show some humanity for once.

[Casey]

I dreamt that nono showed up, typed "lolol" and then voted everyone.

[Almost50]

I have no votes I think, you can vote me if you wannoo. There's wiggle room

Nah. Raya & A50 are more likely partners with Hiraki than you. Heck even IV would be more likely than you.

Casey, how well do you know me? Do you have other alts you may have played with me before? (I don't need you to out such alts. Just to confirm ir deny you have played with me)

I have nono experience with anyone in this game. I don't have any alts.

OK. Because this type of "association" (A50 is a likely partner with X) triggers a weird reaction in me more often, and that is to actually cote X to prove it wrong. My philosophy is "it's a win-win situation for me. If X is scum we got scum. If X is town the theory is proven wrong". I literally have nothing to lose.)

So, if you did have experience with me I would probably have thought you were subtly baiting me into voting Hiraki here. Glad it's not the case, because I am not voting him.

[innocentvillager]

I really think we should limit ourselves to one vote per person now bc of the whole chain dunking thing

[innocentvillager]

scum have probably already been thinking about some quick hammering system

[innocentvillager]

For example, if T1, T2 are voting T3 and T3 is voting Tx when this elim goes through, then all 3 scum can wait until ruby posts the count, coordinate a time and all 3 just vote Tx, then all 3 vote T3 for the win

[innocentvillager]

i think my biggest regret this game is that i still don't think any of the misdunks were bad

They were legitimately terrible and this AtE is... Ugh.

VOTE: Unvote: Hiraki

Last chance. Show some humanity for once.

plenty of townies were on most of the misdunks

Also with the rate the game is going not necessarily bad to be on a misdunk (I’ve been on every single dunk), lots of townies were pretty wrong, id agree more if we had fixed deadline dates

[Casey]

I really think we should limit ourselves to one vote per person now bc of the whole chain dunking thing

I thought this as well. Our breathing room is gone.

[Casey]

I have no votes I think, you can vote me if you wannoo. There's wiggle room

Nah. Raya & A50 are more likely partners with Hiraki than you. Heck even IV would be more likely than you.

Casey, how well do you know me? Do you have other alts you may have played with me before? (I don't need you to out such alts. Just to confirm ir deny you have played with me)

I have nono experience with anyone in this game. I don't have any alts.

OK. Because this type of "association" (A50 is a likely partner with X) triggers a weird reaction in me more often, and that is to actually cote X to prove it wrong. My philosophy is "it's a win-win situation for me. If X is scum we got scum. If X is town the theory is proven wrong". I literally have nothing to lose.)

So, if you did have experience with me I would probably have thought you were subtly baiting me into voting Hiraki here. Glad it's not the case, because I am not voting him.

What's your towncase on Hiraki?

[innocentvillager]

For example, if T1, T2 are voting T3 and T3 is voting Tx when this elim goes through, then all 3 scum can wait until ruby posts the count, coordinate a time and all 3 just vote Tx, then all 3 vote T3 for the win

im dumb it can't be T3 voting Tx because T3 gets dunked first and their vote is gone, it would have to be another townie other than T3

But the point remains that the more votes there are, the more T vote T votes there are likely to be, and therefore the more likely there is to be some configuration of just a couple votes like above that maf can blitz.

So I implore people who are voting 2+ people rn to unvote someone and from now on just state their FoSes in bold as "ghost votes". And avoid voting AT ALL unless necessary like seriously trying to go for a dunk.

If others agree with this protocol I think we can make it essentially a scumclaim to vote 2 or more people.

[Marksman]

That's a good point.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hiraki

[Marksman]

oh I forgot A50 i think he's town too

You forgot Raya as well

i think my biggest regret this game is that i still don't think any of the mislynches were bad

and while i know that's not an excuse for taking an L here (which i'm pretty confident this becomes) it just annoys me

The hellbooks dunk was real bad actually

[Hiraki]

The hellbooks dunk was real bad actually

pressure applied with no improvement on play

negative

[innocentvillager]

im kind of busy but I would be willing to help out and least do something like have a secondary fake VC going on if you guys want to see like a "VC". I could be the only one doing it or others can can help out and update it periodically. That way we can still have multiple "votes" on people and continue as we have been before, just without unnecessary fear of all of this chaindunking. We could call it something else and go like

GV: Raya

or something like that, GV for ghost vote so it's not misunderstood as an actual vote. Once we get x number of GVs those people will just go vote in reality and we'll dunk them ASAP.

[Marksman]

Sounds good, I could help out with that too.

I checked Lavender's meta and she's only ever provided a readslist once before, and that was as scum. On its own, that's hugely scum-indicative, but the readlist itself has so much less energy in way, like there's less of those thoughts where you write something and then change you mind slightly about it the next second, and write something else after it. That kind of stream of consciousness is present in her readlist in this game though.

@Lavender - Why'd you decide to make a readlist this game?

[Marksman]

Phantom Vote: Fredrick A Campbell

[innocentvillager]

FAKE Votecount 6.1

Target	Wagon
Hiraki (L-2)	Marksman, Raya36, Isis
innocentvillager (L-3)	Lavender, Nono
Nono (L-3)	Hiraki, Raya36
Marksman (L-4)	Hiraki
Almost50 (L-4)	Nono
Raya36 (L-5)
Almost50 (L-5)
Casey (L-5)
Isis (L-5)
Not Voting (3)	Casey, Almost50, innocentvillager

With 9 alive, it's 5 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-17 11:18:59) until the buzzer beeps.

Time added.

[innocentvillager]

GV: Raya36

GV: Lavender

FAKE Votecount 6.1 (fixed)

Target	Wagon
Hiraki (L-2)	Marksman, Raya36, Isis
innocentvillager (L-3)	Lavender, Nono
Nono (L-3)	Hiraki, Raya36
Marksman (L-4)	Hiraki
Almost50 (L-4)	Nono
Raya36 (L-4)	innocentvillager
Lavender (L-4)	innocentvillager
Casey (L-5)
Isis (L-5)
Not Voting (2)	Casey, Almost50

With 9 alive, it's 5 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-17 11:18:59) until the buzzer beeps.

[Almost50]

What's your towncase on Hiraki?

Two things: He was never "vote happy" (not on the top wagons anyway), and he suspects Nono.

P.S. I see your argument about him being on 3 mis-dunks, but my point is he wasn't on different top wagons (which was the main point I had against CE)