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[NoPowerOverMe]

Bob wagon was town driven, especially if janko wagon was scum driven

[Datisi]

in a vacuum, not necessarily true. right now, almost definitely not true.

[Iconeum]

Bob wagon was town driven

explain?

[Datisi]

actually hold on, weren't you suspicious of baltar yesterday, npom? wasn't he the main wagon driver on snow/bob?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yep that was before townjanko.

[Datisi]

can you elaborate on how town!janko = town!baltar? other than level-zero-thinking of "hurr durr both wagons at EoD can't be town", not sure i see it.

[Iconeum]

Bob wagon was town driven, especially if janko wagon was scum driven

you are aware of who the main drivers of janko wagon were, right?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think the odds are good that Bob is scum and if that is true almost assuredly vp is town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yep

[Datisi]

assume the moderator suddenly reveals that bob is an IC. where does your head go?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'd have to think about that.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It would kind of be hard to say since both wagons would be town and everyone would be on both wagons

[NoPowerOverMe]

If I had to choose I would say those on the end of the wagons

[NoPowerOverMe]

Are scum

[Billy Pilgrim]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Icon

NPOM seems like he's pretty inexperienced. No way scum comes out and actually goes SRS MODE in RVS. The real goof here is Icon trying to make that seem scummy.

(In fact, NPOM was a pretty easy misyeet D1 in a recent game I played. He was similarly overeager to scum hunt, and the scum team just sat back and let that be a fail. Only took slight prodding to make it an all town wagon. NPOM was town vig that game.)

...wait, hang on. You're saying that he was miseliminated by an all-town wagon, with scum just sitting back and letting it happen, in a previous game.

And you also think Iconeum is scum for scumreading him, when you've just established that town have scumread him previously.

Am I missing something here, or does that not make much sense? Why do you think Iconeum's scumread on NPOM is scum-motivated?

This post is townie. Dont agree with the conclusion but I like the thought process.

hi billy

could you quickly tell me exactly which conclusion you didn't agree with here?

You know re-reading that, I realize I read the initial post wrong. I thought there was an NPOM = town conclusion that really wasn't there. So I dont know what I was referring to.

[Billy Pilgrim]

So Bob was obviously the right wagon. I don't see 13 players all being wrong.


VOTE: Bob

Why can't all the town be wrong when scum can be steering the ship? And does this make you feel anyway about Test? Because that was also a wagon?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Town could always be wrong I just don't see it this time and test could be scum too

[Billy Pilgrim]

Look, NPOM was scummy yesterday and this is also scummy. Pushing the EoD counterwagon on the basis that town couldn't have been wrong. So he's simulataneously pushing a wagon while leaving himself an out for responsibility. What is your scum!case of Bob NPOM?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Look, NPOM was scummy yesterday and this is also scummy. Pushing the EoD counterwagon on the basis that town couldn't have been wrong. So he's simulataneously pushing a wagon while leaving himself an out for responsibility. What is your scum!case of Bob NPOM?

Meant to add this VOTE: NPOM

[Andresvmb]

@Datisi, can you explain why you seem so certain that Bob is Town?

[NoPowerOverMe]

If anything I'm towny. This is just confbias.

[Andresvmb]

i'm actually fairly confident both EoD wagons are town. janko's wagon took a fair bit of pushing to go through. if bob were scum, i think his buddies would've joined me in pushing janko much sooner.

that's why i thought georgebailey was scum. his late vote on janko (and janko flipping town) made me think that scum was pushing both wagons ~equally, and his vote seemed like the least committed one. but, uhhh... guess i was wrong.

Because I cannot make sense of this. Scum clearly were not pushing both wagons equally, yes? I think Bob would have died far more easily if that had been the case.

[Datisi]

the second paragraph is an afterthought that might be wrong. george's position on janko wagon made me think he was a likely scum candidate. obviously that's now proven wrong.

my point is, if bob were scum, what were his scumbuddies doing? looking at me screaming at janko the entirety of day one, only for that wagon to barely go through? i don't think that's likely. if they were committed to bussing bob, bob would've died. if they were actually trying to save him, i would've gotten more support earlier. i think the game didn't care too much which one of the two wagons got through. hence TvT.

[Andresvmb]

If anything I'm towny. This is just confbias.

The only read that GeorgeBailey expressed that

could

have gotten them killed is that Ico v. NPOM was TvT early in the game. Otherwise, GeorgeBailey was mostly a null read for me. I don't know why Scum seem somewhat content with the state of the game, but I would argue that they are with that kill. Anyway, speculating about the NK is not going to be that helpful.

I am also not that interested in flipping NPOM today (though I have a feeling it's eventually going to happen). I think Billy's push for today is wrong, and NPOM is mis-execution bait. I am also not particularly interested in following Datisi who was saying that Janko was Scum since 908 (and I am purposefully ignoring Datisi's vote there on 690).

[Datisi]

oh, you weren't interested in following me yesterday either, don't say that like it's something new.