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[Andresvmb]

Pushing hellbooks here does not make sense - hellbooks was on Bob, not Janko. Not arguing I would never revisit, but in all seriousness, it’s not a good push after D1 and all this information.

[Andresvmb]

The likelihood that the Janko wagon was Scum motivated just went through the roof too. How is Bob not correct here? I wish I had a lot of history with you guys, because I would know who to bounce off all of the paranoia in my head with.

[Andresvmb]

I take it you guys don’t think Iconeum could fool Datisi so badly? Can anybody comment on that?

[VP Baltar]

How many times do I have to say yeet Bob?

[Andresvmb]

And yeah, Datisi/VPB are never S/S. Makes no sense. They can easily get a mis-execution of Bob if they are and don’t have to resort to any of the claims. Datisi can just come in and begin attacking Bob as the counter-wagon, and I don’t think a lot of us even blink. Now all of the mental gymnastics with the wagons from Datisi make sense. If you think you have a guilty, I can see how you would push that worldview.

I’m calling it a day for now, but I’m very interested to see some reactions from others.

[Andresvmb]

And my vote is already on Bob.

[Iconeum]

ok

pretty much this

[Iconeum]

i had many many thoughts during my catchup

in conclusion, I don't think scum!datisi plays the claim like this. Scum!datisi is gonna fake claim a guilty and take someone down with them, not back down at the first sign of push back.

OTOH, VP's claim doesn't make a ton of sense wrt to the likeliness of both scum NK AND town power going to GB, AND having the tracker on one of those 2 roles.

I think we need to sort that out. Also PT Cop is a sketchy claim in the first place, but this is a schadd setup so who am i to Judge lol

[Iconeum]

at this point, a flip between bob or VP is probably best for sorting purposes

[Iconeum]

andres koba both extreme town pings at this point

aldus as well

[Datisi]

we're not flipping baltar today
or ever

can you talk about andres/alduss townpings
and like maybe make a readslist pls

[Iconeum]

I take it you guys don’t think Iconeum could fool Datisi so badly? Can anybody comment on that?

it's a good question to ask, and i don't think it's up to me to respond

but if there's pocketing going on, it's the other way around

and ngl, start of day i was extremely paranoid.

But scum!datisi doesn't fake claim with a guilty, only to back off instantly. This is clearly datisi who was convinced it had something *good*. And honestly, it might still be the case.

We should def flip VP (or the other wagon from eod 1, bob)

[Iconeum]

we're not flipping baltar today
or ever

can you talk about andres/alduss townpings
and like maybe make a readslist pls

why wouldn't we flip baltar

other then 'scum wouldn't claim pt cop', which might very well be a panic claim *based on your fake claim*

you literally tracked someone to the kill, the implied odds of it just being scum are huge

[Datisi]

ok, so i claim loyal fucking neighborizer that failed to neighborize

you're telling me scum claims PT cop there?

[Iconeum]

can you talk about andres/alduss townpings

andres is re-evaluating it's reads based on events, and i'm following it's thoughts this time around
no tunnel, no clear agenda play imo

aldus still because of the fuck-all attitude, and how freely he seems to be posting (and enjoying!) this game
comes from town a lot more then scum

[Iconeum]

ok, so i claim loyal fucking neighborizer that failed to neighborize

you're telling me scum claims PT cop there?

first of all, i knew you were fake claiming the moment you posted it
second, i don't see why not?

[Alduskkel]

I take it you guys don’t think Iconeum could fool Datisi so badly? Can anybody comment on that?

I still think Icon is town and from what I recall from Autumnal Mafia, no, I don't think Iconeum could fool Datisi *this* hard, on top of also fooling me.

[Datisi]

ok, so i claim loyal fucking neighborizer that failed to neighborize

you're telling me scum claims PT cop there?

first of all, i knew you were fake claiming the moment you posted it
second, i don't see why not?

ok, why?
and what thought process is there to claim goddamn PT cop of all things?

[Iconeum]

don't kill me if i'm wrong about this but i strongly feel you would have used that 1-shot on a solid townread of yours to have a mason-ish PT with a trusty townie in order to do Solvey Things and Have Fun, rather then a cop check.

Pressured scum might think 'omg town can create PT's, lets fake claim along those lines'

And yeah, I know it sounds unlikely, but it's an unlikely claim v the odds of PR convergence if you know what I mean?

[Alduskkel]

is that a better fakeclaim than if scum!VPB had claimed something like commuter though?

[Datisi]

sure, but baltar didn't know that.

but you do understand pressured scum is going to think "town tried to create a PT, need to claim something that explains the guilty on me"?

[Iconeum]

name 2 roles that can get scum out of that kind of a guilty

[Iconeum]

is commuter even a normal role?

[Iconeum]

and this isn't even considering you were pressuring him to instantly respond

[Datisi]

commuter, ascetic, roleblocker on me, jailkeeper on me. and even just claiming vt or whatever in order to defend himself by saying he doesn't know anything about it. but he claimed fkin PT cop that targeted bailey. i believe him.