Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

... Is there a word for fake lack-of-confidence?

it's called hedging but I don't think that's what menalque is trying to do here

okay lol I'm out of it if I forgot what hedging is

[Gamma Emerald]

Ugh I shouldn't have signed up for another game, I thought I'd be more engaged this time but I'm just endlessly playing catchup

(Which I am about to do now)

2 + 2 = 4 - 1 = 3

On a completely unrelated note, I hate the way this is written.

quick maths

you see I was going to post this myself but you beat me to the punch
(that is a good song tho)

[teacher]

im confused what you see differently then

I think I'm actually on the same page with how that Mena post is being interpreted now

I still want teacher to explain his earlier thing though

Not sure what you were looking for - call it out?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am a little concerned by how you’re not really trying to parse my meaning at all? It’s just “what does this mean” a whole bunch. Doesn’t make me think you’re really trying to understand what I’m saying.

Ftr, i object to this characterisation, I’m trying, failing to do so at points because what you’ve said is unclear to me, and seeking clarification

Like I don’t think it’s reasonable at all to expect me to understand what you meant by “he’s like a prodigal son sort of” and think that if I had taken a guess as to what you meant, it would always have been ambiguous and likely would have led to miscommunication

This feels like straight shade, honestly

it's more a reaction to how you phrase your questions, not the questions themselves
there's no signs you're actually comprehending anything I say

[Gamma Emerald]

im confused what you see differently then

I think I'm actually on the same page with how that Mena post is being interpreted now

I still want teacher to explain his earlier thing though

Not sure what you were looking for - call it out?

what "detailed meta case" did Menalque have on Hiraki?

[teacher]

im confused what you see differently then

I think I'm actually on the same page with how that Mena post is being interpreted now

I still want teacher to explain his earlier thing though

Not sure what you were looking for - call it out?

what "detailed meta case" did Menalque have on Hiraki?

Mena called his case meta before he detailed it. I suppose he meant meta in terms of outside-of-game influence. It was the angleshoot bit. I dont see that coming on a partner, ever.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah Dunn imma need a little more from you

Sure, I plan on talking more as the game continues to exist

[Umlaut]

The only game she played on MS previously she was town. I noticed both Umlaut and Menalque were in it, and now I am even more confused because one (Menalque) is defending her and the other (obviously Umlaut) says she looks bad. Do I really need to read that game in details? (Hint: I am NOT going to, so settle it out between the two of you and return a decision ASAP if you please)

It's almost like Menalque and I can have differing opinions about something?

Like, what do you find confusing about this?

[Testarossa]

1. Multiball dynamics matter because scum do want to scumhunt, just the other team. (I infer the townlean on Dann was for starting substantive discussion)

Yes, I know and in certain cases this applies to, I just think it's a cheap way to let a window open to backpedal from a townread, because multiball. That's how I got interpreted it too, but I mean either you think Dann looks like town for starting discussion or you think that it could potentially come from scum. I don't see why a second scum team would matter here.

[Testarossa]

I agree with a lot of what dram has said, but I think I feel more strongly that teacher is scum than Dann is scum.

Originally I felt we were getting similar vibes regarding teacher in the beginning with his moderate attitude, at least from your first bigger post. I am rather leaning town there atm, what is it that makes you scumreading teacher?

And yeah, what does it mean to you that Mena seems more meta focussed here? (although I think a lot of it was just site meta talk) Do you think it's alignment-indicative in comparision to your last game with him?

[Testarossa]

I am not sure if it is because it's so late or because I felt some discussions during catching up were so redundant. Tbh it felt like Mena/dram conversations aren't hardly going anywhere and I don't feel I get anything that useful out of these.

A50 being cagey about his townreads was a bit curious, his thinking makes kind of sense though. What I actually liked was his approach to his scumread Haven, he wasn't damning her, but actually genuinely tried to pass the ball to her in order to show to him that she is town. Feel ok with calling A50 town here.

I have to reread Gamma again tbh (hi and welcome!), his strong stance pro Hiraki is definitely interesting, tbh it feels a bit too strong to me to call them partners though.
I am so-so on his dram suspicion, I think "filling" the four slots for his scumreads isn't really scummy, to me it's a bit more concerning that his four reads seem to be that static. Which seems a bit odd regarding Dann and teacher, where I think he wasn't that confident as with Mena/Haven. His conviction feels pretty real to me if I go by his Haven case. Not really scummy, I just wonder if he has a tendency to get into an early tunnel.

The scummiest slot seems to be Haven, I didn't found her first posts and self-awareness that scummy. It's her acting once she got pressured by dram and A50, instead of trying to figure them out it's either excuses or lashing back. Ok with voting her, but want to read through the games that A50 pointed out by tomorrow, to draw my own conclusion out of it, if he says that this behaviour comes from her as any alignment. VOTE: TripleHaven

[Testarossa]

@Gamma:
Sorry, if I just missed it while catching up, what is your take on Dann and teacher, if you are town on Hiraki? Or are you only wary about Mena on those, that are pushing him?

[TemporalLich]

VC 1.9

TripleHaven (4) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa [E-3]
Hiraki (2) - Menalque, Umlaut
teacher (2) - Marashu, Dunnstral
dramonic (2) - TripleHaven, Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral (2) - teacher, Dannflor
Almost50 (1) - Gypyx

Not voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Dannflor is V/LA until Saturday sometime.

Dannflor is V/LA until Saturday sometime.

[teacher]

Yeah Dunn imma need a little more from you

Sure, I plan on talking more as the game continues to exist

It be hard not to.

[TripleHaven]

Someone give me motivation to read tghe last 4 pages lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t deal with anything more today so I’ll put off reading to tomorrow

[Marashu]

I agree with a lot of what dram has said, but I think I feel more strongly that teacher is scum than Dann is scum.

Originally I felt we were getting similar vibes regarding teacher in the beginning with his moderate attitude, at least from your first bigger post. I am rather leaning town there atm, what is it that makes you scumreading teacher?

And yeah, what does it mean to you that Mena seems more meta focussed here? (although I think a lot of it was just site meta talk) Do you think it's alignment-indicative in comparision to your last game with him?

His posts feel pretty dispassionate, like he's trying to be a mediator to appear engaged. By this I mean he's not really taking any hard stances unless called on. 221 is where I started getting scum vibes. 380 doesn't come from a town mindset, in my opinion, and I haven't really seen anything that's getting me to see this slot as town.

I was wrong about Mena being more meta focused. The couple instances I mentioned in 512 just left a strong impression. As for it being AI, I thought it was kinda scummy, especially trying to dismiss dram's reads not because they stand up within context of this game but because of factors outside of the game. So I guess it's more what he was trying to do with the meta rather than the focus itself that I found suspect.

[Menalque]

Mara, I’m trying to explain why I think dram is so wrong if town. Fmpov (knowing I’m town) dram has been pushing conftown, and three of my top townreads. My explanations for that are either (1) he’s scum (2) he’s incompetent (3) something else.

I started to come round to him not being scum after talking to Dann about it, which meant he’s either incompetent or something else is at play. He’s certainly overconfident and abrasive, but neither of those things necessarily implies incompetence. I know it’s a factor (I can pull posts if you like) that players returning to the site often struggle to perform as they once did because the meta *has* changed. That’s a fact, not my opinion. You can find multiple people talking about how it’s changed and to an extent in what ways if you look at what people who have been around through the transition say.

So given that why is it scummy for me to be using meta to explain why I think dram has his reads ass-backwards instead as opposed to the natural response for town!me after coming round to a position of dram!town?

[Menalque]

I think it’s interesting that it’s a struggle to get voted on hiraki when I think two people have expressed a townread on him and that’s it.

I think this is also probably scum indicative because I don’t think scum want to hit scum on D1 (even from the other team).

[Marashu]

Mara, I’m trying to explain why I think dram is so wrong if town. Fmpov (knowing I’m town) dram has been pushing conftown, and three of my top townreads. My explanations for that are either (1) he’s scum (2) he’s incompetent (3) something else.

I started to come round to him not being scum after talking to Dann about it, which meant he’s either incompetent or something else is at play. He’s certainly overconfident and abrasive, but neither of those things necessarily implies incompetence. I know it’s a factor (I can pull posts if you like) that players returning to the site often struggle to perform as they once did because the meta *has* changed. That’s a fact, not my opinion. You can find multiple people talking about how it’s changed and to an extent in what ways if you look at what people who have been around through the transition say.

So given that why is it scummy for me to be using meta to explain why I think dram has his reads ass-backwards instead as opposed to the natural response for town!me after coming round to a position of dram!town?

Hm, ok. Yeah. That makes sense.

[Menalque]

Also, while you’re around, what do you think about the reasons I gave for hiraki!scum in 640

[Menalque]

Gypx do you have thoughts yet?

[Marashu]

A bunch of work meetings - expect a reply in about 2h

[Hiraki]

I know it’s a factor (I can pull posts if you like) that players returning to the site often struggle to perform as they once did because the meta *has* changed. That’s a fact, not my opinion. You can find multiple people talking about how it’s changed and to an extent in what ways if you look at what people who have been around through the transition say.

FYI this is adamantly false because if Menalque had taken a second, he would know that I've "returned" to the site since March and my last hiatus was in late 2018. I haven't taken a 5 year trip around the world or anything.

[Menalque]

I was talking about dram?