Micro 962: Geriatric Trio II (Town Victory)

[Aristophanes]

VC 1.3

Sou and Kanna

(4): bugspray 16, AGar 26, xReckonerx 31, Porkens 43

Kmd4930

(2): Bingle 15, clidd 33

clidd

(1): Michael Scott 5

Bingle

(1): Kmd4930 7

bugspray

(1): Sou and Kanna 41

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(0):

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Day one ends Tuesday, August 25th at 8:30pm EST, or in (expired on 2020-08-25 20:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Seeking a replacement for bugspray

[Sou and Kanna]

I don't agree with the sou wagon. The reads list was clearly fabricated, but it was designed to fit the order of the playerlist. I don't see reck as scum for not realizing it though. Having a problem with fabricated reads isn't scummy.

thank you for getting the joke, i suppose? i don't think "not realizing it's the playerlist order" in itself is scummy. but the huge defense that followed in 31? and accusing us of abusing hydra advantages in 66? (which btw, how am i doing that??) do you have an opinion on any of that? or like on anything that's happened so far?

~sou

what about my post 31 was defending anything about the "joke read list" debacle? at that point i still thought it was real. how am i defending it?
and yes, i stand by the hydra thing, though i don't think it makes you scum necessarily. one slot being able to have dissonant reads/behavior/etc muddies the waters too much, it's why i hate hate hate hydras. because anytime you get caught in something, your other half can just swoop in and hand wave it all away.

i was just commenting on you being (imho) very defensive very quickly, i wanted to see what kmd's thoughts were on that.

with regard to the hydra thing, i'm saying how in 66 you're talking of dissonance of "one head said it was serious, i punched on it, the other head jumped in and said it's a joke", when that's not what happened. like, i said my reads were "deadly serious" in 30, but i in that post quoted the mod playerlist, i thought it was gonna be obvious that "deadly serious" was sarcastic.

also, *do* you think it's scummy or not? you lowkey called us scum for it in 66, but not in 74?

reck, i am also telling you that the readlist is a joke. i literally quoted the mod post with the playerlist order in answering your question. i called myself obvscum in it for fuck's sake. are you purposefully being dense?

at what point after your explanation of a joke have i continued to say that it's not a joke? go ahead and show me. ill wait patiently.

the key word being "also" - this is a response to the hydra dissonance thing. see the second paragraph above.

~sou

[xRECKONERx]

i cannot parse this

• you post something dumb
  
• i ask if it's serious
  
• you say yes (which isn't serious)
  
• i miss the subtle "humor" and explain why what you posted is dumb
  
• you come back and say it's just a joke wtf man
  
• i ask what the point of the joke was
  
• you ignore it
  
• i say using hydra play to defuse any pressure on the slot is scummy
  
• you respond by saying again that the readlist is a joke and ask if im being dense
  
• i ask you to explain where i've denied that it is a joke

at this point i feel like *i* moved past "was it a joke or not" as of like, bullet point number 5 above. i moved onto other questions, angles, concerns, reads. and you're still here with the last post in the exchange being like "wtf bro it's only a joke" and i feel like i'm listening to a broken record.

[clidd]

[clidd]

I will try to clear my mind before re-reading the game.

[Porkens]

Good evening friends, here's my updated readslist:

Porkens

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Sou and Kanna (Datisi + Kanna)

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xReckonerX
AGar

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Michael Scott (Auro + volxen)
Kmd4390

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Bingle
clidd
bugspray

VOTE: unvote

Explanations to come after dinner

[AGar]

Reck is looking town in engagement and consistency.
Literally both hydrae can die plz. SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it. Michael Scott is the worst kind of hydra and this attempt to stay "in character" is going to make me very annoyed throughout this game.
kmd is kmd. Color me surprised.
Porkens is concerning me because of wagonomics but content is middling. I put more stock in wagonomics so Porkens gets binned as slightly scummy for now.
Speaking of wagonomics, I don't like Clidd's vote on kmd positioning/timing wise. Feels like going for the easy angle of kmd's activity. Spoiler alert: KMD is going to have the fewest posts in the game, even in this ruleset, even if he makes it to endgame. 33 was garbage to begin with but looking at a VC just confirms that feeling.

It served a few purposes. It pointed out the identities of the hydra heads in case Reck actually cared (I assumed he didn't, but it didn't hurt to include that), updated the thread on the fact that I think there are scummy things coming from a slot I was previously explicitly townreading (which then allowed for people to engage me over those things if they so chose, which no one has done yet), and it bumped the thread so the mod could have the pagetop for his VC. I think that the last was clearly the most important of the three.

Yeah so it served no purpose, got it. You basically hemmed and hawed on your one game content situation.

Would happily lynch within {SK,Clidd} right now.

[Kmd4390]

Good to see you again too, agar.

[AGar]

EBWOP:

Fuck, I meant 'yeet'. Old habits are dying hard with the inconsistent nature of how much I'm playing these days.

Also, starting tomorrow afternoon, I'll be limited access through Sunday evening (US Eastern time). Should be able to get on and phone post but camping up in NW Florida so not sure what the service is gonna be.

P-Edit: Hi KMD. It's just an observation. I know your schedule is fucky.

[Sou and Kanna]

SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it.

but it was a joke to begin with

literally *sigh* at this point. i was also just going to reply to reck again, but i'm beginning to think this may be a personality/playstyle thing more than anything.

@reckoner; all i ask is a clear stance on us since we did in fact, address your points, ty.

disliked porken's e-1 vote on us, but i am getting townvibes off tone D:

~kanna

[Sou and Kanna]

Porkens is concerning me because of wagonomics but content is middling. I put more stock in wagonomics so Porkens gets binned as slightly scummy for now.

what do you mean here?

~kanna

[Kmd4390]

literally *sigh* at this point. i was also just going to reply to reck again, but i'm beginning to think this may be a personality/playstyle thing more than anything.

I already told you that lol

[Porkens]

Sou and Kanna (Datisi + Kanna)

I had problems right away with the faux readslist because I didn't realize it was a joke at first. When Souk revealed it was based on the playlist, my immediate reaction was "what was the point," so I asked and in 65 I thought the answer was just fine. Turning the game towards productive discussion is a great reason to make an exaggerated readslist.

I understand the rebuttal in 67, and I like the reads in 61. I also can understand why they thought Reck was pretending not to get the joke in 53. Finally, I agree with their read on Bugs.
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xReckonerX

As with Souk above, I understand his point of view. I believe he didn't realize the joke as of 31 and I see that he was asking for a reason for the joke in 53, not still pushing the idea that it was a joke. He did seem over the top in 27.

In 64 I agree on the MS, clidd, and KMD reads, but I don't understand the hard townread of bingle and the assessment of Agar seems hypocritical. We are far apart on Bugspray.

AGar

I really like 51 and I want to really like 59 but I'm getting a whiff of something - not "LAMIST" but Look at Me I'm So ...something?

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Michael Scott (Auro + volxen)

54 is terrible, as there is plenty to actually talk about at that point but instead the choice was made to continue meming. I also do not understand the townread of Clidd in 55. NEITHER read of clidd is explained in 62.

However, I like 61 pushback on clidd, and I

love

73, but perhaps

too

much. I Vig this slot.

Kmd4390

I like 70 and I've come to agree with the read on Souk. On the other hand, the “what the fuck even is this thread” rang lurky to me.

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Bingle

I don't like the pocketing in 49, and I'm offended by the idea that I'm a fucking clown, here to amuse you? Is that what you think you motherfucker? <pulls gun>. Also the chronic focus on mod-posts is smokescreen-y

clidd

Hokay this one takes some quotes:

Spoiler:

I believe that I don't need to go into details about Michael, the charisma and role-playing he's doing seems healthy and fluid, with no indication that he's pushing himself over the limit or uncomfortable with it. It is easier to interpret something with energy and fluidity when you have a clear mind, and I imagine that the cognitive load of being scum, in this context, would affect his performance and make it all stressful and exhausting.

First: “I don’t need to go into detail…<goes into detail>.” I think this reveals a lack of confidence. Also, the read itself is

garbage

. Finally, it came

after

and seemed to be based

on

Souk’s jokelist. It weirdly apes the tone of that as well. It does not seem genuine.

You start from scratch, change the subject, then change again, change again and finally begin to vandalize your questioning. There are direct/objective playstyles that work, but yours is not one of them. I literally can't understand what's going on in your head because the verbalization of your line of thought is confusing and volatile, compromising the message you are trying to get across, which I classify in this context as a bad tone.

This is towards Reck. It seems like a stretch to me. I don’t think the progression of Recks posts show any lack of progression, Reck is literally commenting on the game as it progresses. I basically completely disagree with this analysis and don’t see how clidd reached it. So it’s not a good case to scum read Reck by.

Also in 42, clidd pressed bugspray but has yet to follow up on it at all. Despite posting 4 more times since then.

I filtered what you typed in post 23 and I don't think it was entirely a joke. There were exaggerations in the way you expressed the impressions, but the starting point of observation that you used in each of the slots did not seem random/invented but rather genuine (that is, it started from an idea you had about each one and tried to expand). It's basically what I did in my old wallpost playstyle, where I took an idea and converted it into an impression, usually being what I thought about the slot, but with an exaggeration of assumptions to reach a conclusion (as town).

I don’t know what “I filtered what you said…” is supposed to mean. The scum-town progression in the readslist was based entirely on the playerlist. So when clidd says “The starting point of the observations did not seem random or invented,” it’s patently false unless somehow the playlist did line up with Souk’s actual reads, which I doubt.

This just looks made up to me - like a cover for sheeping fake reads.

Since then, there’s just been a lot of nothing.

bugspray

So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

creature hasn't replaced in yet, so
VOTE: clidd

[Porkens]

Oops: "I like Souk's read OF 61, not IN 61"
Ugh: "I also don't understand the townread of Clidd in 56

[volxen]

bugspray
So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

What are you referring to here? Bugs mentioned (in 27 and 38) that they scumread/voted S&K over 23.


- Date Mike (Volxen)

[Michael Scott]

bugspray
So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

What are you referring to here? Bugs mentioned (in 27 and 38) that they scumread/voted S&K over 23.


- Date Mike (Volxen)

[Porkens]

Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

I voted them BECAUSE of 23. Clumping two people together and making such a blanket read

also now a super tr for reconer because hes totally town

also kinda sr clidd because while its very tonally similar to the clidd~town i know im p sure this is a different one

What “clumping” in 23 is bugs talking about here?

[Michael Scott]

Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

I voted them BECAUSE of 23. Clumping two people together and making such a blanket read

also now a super tr for reconer because hes totally town

also kinda sr clidd because while its very tonally similar to the clidd~town i know im p sure this is a different one

What “clumping” in 23 is bugs talking about here?

I read it as Bugs saying that they scumread/voted for S&K over 23, and criticizing Clidd for "clumping" them together with Agar in Clidd's readslist in 33.


- Date Mike (Volxen)

[Porkens]

I can see how it might be that. In that case, the reason for the vote is because Souk “scumread the lowhanging bugspray instead of <townreading>“ but no explanation. Then, when pressed; ninjavanish. Seems like bugs just hopped on a wagon without much reasoning, which would be ok at that point in the game BUT then to Offer no further explanation when asked I think is scummy. The TR on reco and the SR on clid for circle math are also pretty bad.

I’m fine waiting for the replacement of course, but it’s. Not looking good so far.

[Bingle]

I'm not at all sold on Porkens town, and I'm not a huge fan of the content of his reads list. His reasoning on AGar/MS/KMD all comes across as unwilling to commit to me, and he casts shade on clidd for not following up on his attack on bugspray in 42 when bugspray's replacement request was literally announced two posts later. Apparently I'm hiding behind the smokescreen of interacting with the mod when I'm kind of blatantly just not doing much at the moment, as well as for pocketing him by saying that I'm enjoying his posts but think they're not towny (implied, not outright stated, but this is still what I gather from his assertion that 49 was a pocketing attempt). There also seems to be a weird attempt to tie agreeing with him to being town which raises my hackles.

43 also reeks of scum motivation. He consciously puffs up his posting to seem like there's more there than there is, while the tl;dr of the post is that he's scumreading S&K for puffing up their posting to make it seem like there's more there than there is. He also uses the opportunity to cast an unannounced E-1 vote on S&K when I fully believe he knew how close to elimination the wagon was (there's a VC earlier that page). Framing the post the way he did made it more likely for an accidental hammer by far, and I think he fully knew what he was doing in doing that.

That seems like a lot.

Does it, now? I'm willing to vote in the people who I'm not townreading on a wagon I believe to have scum motivation, and you. Less so Porkens, because he's actually putting out content to engage with unprodded. Who on that list do you think I should be unwilling to vote? Why?

[AGar]

SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it.

but it was a joke to begin with

Yes and the mafia will tell us they're town, too!

[Kmd4390]

Does it, now? I'm willing to vote in the people who I'm not townreading on a wagon I believe to have scum motivation, and you. Less so Porkens, because he's actually putting out content to engage with unprodded. Who on that list do you think I should be unwilling to vote? Why?

Your vote I your vote and I won't tell you how to use it. But I'll make observations and you just said you're willing to vote half the game. But if you want my opinion on those players, I haven't seen a reason to scum read reck yet. Bugspray I'm with you on. Porkens, meh, maybe.

[clidd]

Guys, KMD is scum.

I played as scum vs town!him and my tone was basically the same I'm using here (which is why Porkens is scumreading me, because he also played as town in the same game) but KMD is kind of ignoring me.

Town!Kmd would look at my posts and vote instantly on me.

[clidd]

Sou and Kanna (Datisi + Kanna)

I had problems right away with the faux readslist because I didn't realize it was a joke at first. When Souk revealed it was based on the playlist, my immediate reaction was "what was the point," so I asked and in 65 I thought the answer was just fine. Turning the game towards productive discussion is a great reason to make an exaggerated readslist.

I understand the rebuttal in 67, and I like the reads in 61. I also can understand why they thought Reck was pretending not to get the joke in 53. Finally, I agree with their read on Bugs.
---

xReckonerX

As with Souk above, I understand his point of view. I believe he didn't realize the joke as of 31 and I see that he was asking for a reason for the joke in 53, not still pushing the idea that it was a joke. He did seem over the top in 27.

In 64 I agree on the MS, clidd, and KMD reads, but I don't understand the hard townread of bingle and the assessment of Agar seems hypocritical. We are far apart on Bugspray.

AGar

I really like 51 and I want to really like 59 but I'm getting a whiff of something - not "LAMIST" but Look at Me I'm So ...something?

---

Michael Scott (Auro + volxen)

54 is terrible, as there is plenty to actually talk about at that point but instead the choice was made to continue meming. I also do not understand the townread of Clidd in 55. NEITHER read of clidd is explained in 62.

However, I like 61 pushback on clidd, and I

love

73, but perhaps

too

much. I Vig this slot.

Kmd4390

I like 70 and I've come to agree with the read on Souk. On the other hand, the “what the fuck even is this thread” rang lurky to me.

---

Bingle

I don't like the pocketing in 49, and I'm offended by the idea that I'm a fucking clown, here to amuse you? Is that what you think you motherfucker? <pulls gun>. Also the chronic focus on mod-posts is smokescreen-y

clidd

Hokay this one takes some quotes:

Spoiler:

I believe that I don't need to go into details about Michael, the charisma and role-playing he's doing seems healthy and fluid, with no indication that he's pushing himself over the limit or uncomfortable with it. It is easier to interpret something with energy and fluidity when you have a clear mind, and I imagine that the cognitive load of being scum, in this context, would affect his performance and make it all stressful and exhausting.

First: “I don’t need to go into detail…<goes into detail>.” I think this reveals a lack of confidence. Also, the read itself is

garbage

. Finally, it came

after

and seemed to be based

on

Souk’s jokelist. It weirdly apes the tone of that as well. It does not seem genuine.

You start from scratch, change the subject, then change again, change again and finally begin to vandalize your questioning. There are direct/objective playstyles that work, but yours is not one of them. I literally can't understand what's going on in your head because the verbalization of your line of thought is confusing and volatile, compromising the message you are trying to get across, which I classify in this context as a bad tone.

This is towards Reck. It seems like a stretch to me. I don’t think the progression of Recks posts show any lack of progression, Reck is literally commenting on the game as it progresses. I basically completely disagree with this analysis and don’t see how clidd reached it. So it’s not a good case to scum read Reck by.

Also in 42, clidd pressed bugspray but has yet to follow up on it at all. Despite posting 4 more times since then.

I filtered what you typed in post 23 and I don't think it was entirely a joke. There were exaggerations in the way you expressed the impressions, but the starting point of observation that you used in each of the slots did not seem random/invented but rather genuine (that is, it started from an idea you had about each one and tried to expand). It's basically what I did in my old wallpost playstyle, where I took an idea and converted it into an impression, usually being what I thought about the slot, but with an exaggeration of assumptions to reach a conclusion (as town).

I don’t know what “I filtered what you said…” is supposed to mean. The scum-town progression in the readslist was based entirely on the playerlist. So when clidd says “The starting point of the observations did not seem random or invented,” it’s patently false unless somehow the playlist did line up with Souk’s actual reads, which I doubt.

This just looks made up to me - like a cover for sheeping fake reads.

Since then, there’s just been a lot of nothing.

bugspray

So Bugs claimed to scum read Souk based on a post that Souk didn't make. It seems like a genuine slip to me - I don't believe bugs had a real read, and fucked up trying to cover that.

creature hasn't replaced in yet, so
VOTE: clidd

By the way, you are starting from a base point where I am scum and how that would explain my posts/actions.

I consider you town for that external influence, but I just wanted to make you aware that you will probably always have a hard time reading me, regardless of the game we play.

[Kmd4390]

Clidd I'm actually townreading you. Why did I scum read you in the past? I don't remember playing with you.