Micro 962: Geriatric Trio II (Town Victory)

[clidd]

Volxen's question (Michael) makes sense, I should be more critical of the Auro + Volxen set, especially Volxen. Chances are good that Michael is town because of that argument.

[clidd]

Clidd I'm actually townreading you. Why did I scum read you in the past? I don't remember playing with you.

Same game you played with Porkens, Albert, Lilith, Flavor leaf, something_smart, etc.

There is no way for you to townread me here, unless you're scum and I know I'm town. I pushed hard your mislynch on that game, I don't think you forgot that.

[Kmd4390]

Ok found the game. I was scum reading you because you replaced ceejay who was obvscum. I dont remember being eliminated in that game though. I see in the OP that it happened but no, I don't remember the details around it. Usually when that happens though it's because RL didnt allow me the time to stay active. The town read comes from your initial reads list. Your explanations for reads felt real to me. I did wonder at the time how Michael Scott and bugspray got opposite reads from you but when i went to re-read your Michael Scott read I could follow what you were getting at.

[clidd]

I can see SK being scum by PoE.

xReckonerX trashtalk seems "towny".

Agar trashtalk seems forced.

Kmd's partner is probably inside the pool of {Agar, Bingle, SK}

[clidd]

Clidd I'm actually townreading you. Why did I scum read you in the past? I don't remember playing with you.

Same game you played with Porkens, Albert, Lilith, Flavor leaf, something_smart, etc.

There is no way for you to townread me here, unless you're scum and I know I'm town. I pushed hard your mislynch on that game, I don't think you forgot that.

Correction: and know I'm town *

[xRECKONERx]

Guys, KMD is scum.

I played as scum vs town!him and my tone was basically the same I'm using here (which is why Porkens is scumreading me, because he also played as town in the same game) but KMD is kind of ignoring me.

Town!Kmd would look at my posts and vote instantly on me.

[clidd]

No, it isn't.

More votes on KMD please.

[Porkens]

I'm not at all sold on Porkens town, and I'm not a huge fan of the content of his reads list. His reasoning on AGar/MS/KMD all comes across as unwilling to commit to me,

“Unwilling to commit:” they are in the middle of my reads list as explained by both town and scum indicators. Is that scummy? If you have a problem with any specific read let’s dig in, but you are just casting shade here with vague reasons.

and he casts shade on clidd for not following up on his attack on bugspray in 42 when bugspray's replacement request was literally announced two posts later.

Só? A few players commented on bugs after they left. Clidd never followed up on his question or the fact that he never got an answer with US. I think that’s suspicious.

I'm hiding behind the smokescreen of interacting with the mod when I'm kind of blatantly just not doing much at the moment, as well as for pocketing him by saying that I'm enjoying his posts but think they're not towny (implied, not outright stated, but this is still what I gather from his assertion that 49 was a pocketing attempt). There also seems to be a weird attempt to tie agreeing with him to being town which raises my hackles.

This doesn’t make sense to me. What about any of that is scummy or raises your hackles? You assert that you are “blatantly doing nothing,” but you are posting, why is it unfair and scummy to suspect you for that?

43 also reeks of scum motivation. He consciously puffs up his posting to seem like there's more there than there is, while the tl;dr of the post is that he's scumreading S&K for puffing up their posting to make it seem like there's more there than there is. He also uses the opportunity to cast an unannounced E-1 vote on S&K when I fully believe he knew how close to elimination the wagon was (there's a VC earlier that page). Framing the post the way he did made it more likely for an accidental hammer by far, and I think he fully knew what he was doing in doing that.

This is a gross misunderstanding or misrepresentation. 43 is not “puffed up,” it is a deep analysis of the mindset behind post 4. There’s nothing extraneous about it; each idea supports the thesis and is needed for ancomplete analysis. Furthermore, I never accused Souk of “puffing up” their posts or called them scummy for “puffing up” posts. I don’t think you are making an honest analysis here.

[Kmd4390]

Meta isn't trash. Assuming you know how someone is going to read you after one game with them is trash. Especially when I didn't bother to read clidd that game because I had his predecessor as lock scum.

[Porkens]

By the way, you are starting from a base point where I am scum and how that would explain my posts/actions.

I consider you town for that external influence, but I just wanted to make you aware that you will probably always have a hard time reading me, regardless of the game we play.

No, I don’t think so. My read of you came from your posts for the reasons I explained. I didn’t poe you into scum and then backfill or something like that.

I happy that you telling the thread I am town, but my read also had nothing to do with any memory of your play from that game. I remember it now that you mentioned it, but I didn’t specifically remember your play from any game previous when making my read.

Your last point is very presumptuous and condescending, even if it’s not inaccurate, and I take it as an effort to discredit my ability to produce accurate reads.

[clidd]

Jesus, what is this game.

[clidd]

Can we eliminate me then ? 5 or 6 players are scumreading me for bad reasons (in my opinion) and this will probably continue on later stages of the game.

If we flip my slot, my opinions won't be coming from 'scum' anymore and you guys can reevaluate the wagon on SK.

It's likely that I will be eliminated by PoE too, which is another point of not wanting to be alive.

[clidd]

I feel that my presence is a laggard in the possible chances of winning.

[Sou and Kanna]

my point that reck seemed to miss in 77 is that he's accusing us of hydra dissonance (untrue so far) and calling us scummy for it (why is that scummy?) then backpedalling from calling us scummy but like is there a point is arguing this anymore

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SKit is are really trying to make something of nothing with Reck after posting a read list that felt feigned and they tried to handwave it away as a joke ex post facto when called on it.

but it was a joke to begin with

Yes and the mafia will tell us they're town, too!

this is like... not serious, right. detailed readslist, playerlist ordered, after ~20 posts in-game, with my own slot at the bottom... hAnDWaVeD aS a JoKe

could you answer 85 please?

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ohh, everything about clidd is confusing me this game.

I can see SK being scum by PoE.

xReckonerX trashtalk seems "towny".

can you talk about this? what sorta PoE are you talking about here? and why is him trash talk "towny"? (with quotation marks)

clidd, do you have examples of town games where you're showing this kinda... defeatism this quickly?

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43 also reeks of scum motivation. He consciously puffs up his posting to seem like there's more there than there is, while the tl;dr of the post is that he's scumreading S&K for puffing up their posting to make it seem like there's more there than there is. He also uses the opportunity to cast an unannounced E-1 vote on S&K when I fully believe he knew how close to elimination the wagon was (there's a VC earlier that page). Framing the post the way he did made it more likely for an accidental hammer by far, and I think he fully knew what he was doing in doing that.

This is a gross misunderstanding or misrepresentation. 43 is not “puffed up,” it is a deep analysis of the mindset behind post 4. There’s nothing extraneous about it; each idea supports the thesis and is needed for ancomplete analysis. Furthermore, I never accused Souk of “puffing up” their posts or called them scummy for “puffing up” posts. I don’t think you are making an honest analysis here.

ok i'm assuming this explainantion is a meme and like
can you Seriously talk about 43? i'm dubious about that (joke?)post that put us to E-1 as early as it did

~sou

[clidd]

I don't like how Reckoner / Agar are playing, but I tried to be tolerant and understand which post was coming from a town mentality and which could be being forged.

This includes assessing the context and position of the insults.

[clidd]

And I don't think that the nature of this playerlist sympathized with my posts, so I don't think that trying to argue with counterpoints would be effective here.

I see no problem with self-elimination if I feel that I could be a mislynchable slot on a possible lylo.

[Porkens]

It wasn’t a joke, it was a deep dive into what 4 told me about where the author’s head could be at. Was it silly to go so deepbintobone? Perhaps. But the analysis is serious. From that first post in a vacuum, I think it comes from scum. 107 is completely sincere.

Complete transparency I did not look at the vote count or count votes before I posted with my vote. However, after I made that post, I read the rest of the thread and saw that I had put Souk at e-1. I considered taking it down, but then decided just to leave it and see what came of it.

[clidd]

This isn't playing against my wicon, by the way.

I just think that it will be bad with my slot alive on lylo.

[Sou and Kanna]

This isn't playing against my wicon, by the way.

I just think that it will be bad with my slot alive on lylo.

i'm not accusing you of that, i'm just saying i don't think i've ever seen you like this, let alone on page 5 of a game, and it's weird and i don't know what to make of it...

Kmd's partner is probably inside the pool of {Agar, Bingle, SK}

i wanna hear about this. how do you get bingle (who's currently voting alongside you) and me (one of the two you initially had good impressions on) but none of the other good/nullish slots? (also keep a eye on your post numbers?)

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re porkens: maybe i'm overreacting about the vote, idk. recently had a game with a scum lolhammer on like page 8.

when you were doing your bigger readslist later on, you didn't even mention 4. like i get why someone'd get the thought of pocketiness from that post, but did it even play into your read?

~sou

[clidd]

I feel like I no longer have the patience for bad game starts, like this one.

I see no reason why many people would suspect me when I was being transparent in my thoughts. I think it is the nature of the playerlist, as I mentioned.

This movement of slots in my PoE is a change in my impressions, but I don't feel energetic to justify it.

[clidd]

And considering that I stipulated a principle of not replacing out from games recently, my solution is basically beneficial to both sides.

I don't feel welcome in this game and I will be probably eliminated eventually.

[Porkens]

when you were doing your bigger readslist later on, you didn't even mention 4. like i get why someone'd get the thought of pocketiness from that post, but did it even play into your read?

I’m not sure what you mean by pocketness. 4 factors in to my townlean instead of a townread, I just didn’t feel it was necessary to mention it explicitly again.

@clidd: I don’t mean to make you feel unwelcome, I’m just explaining my thoughts. What do you currently think of the bugs slot?

[Sou and Kanna]

I’m not sure what you mean by pocketness.

it's me failing to say "i don't think the substance of 43 is of bad faith".

clidd, take a breather if you need it.

~sou

[clidd]

I'm ok, don't worry.

[clidd]

Agar / Bugspray -> They ignored post 23 and voted regardless of the observations that SK (I'll use this acronym now) made.

I voted them BECAUSE of 23. Clumping two people together and making such a blanket read

also now a super tr for reconer because hes totally town

also kinda sr clidd because while its very tonally similar to the clidd~town i know im p sure this is a different one

I don't think Bugspray would do this post as scum towards me ^