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[Andresvmb]

Just vote whatever you want. I don’t have any ability to convince anybody else where to vote, and I’m not confident enough to be certain who is Scum. I will say, I don’t think I’m going to move. Bob is putting some content out there and though there’s some overlapping TR’s, he is TR’ing Billy which I don’t agree with.

[DkKoba]

ok bob who is scum then.

[DkKoba]

where's your vote

[DkKoba]

stop talking and start walking

[bob3141]

At first I thought Andres was scum but I'm starting to think he's misguided town. I think scum would have backed off pushing Icon after facing so much resistance from multiple players.

This is textbook Icon townplay. It's an emotional player who tends to get into fights. I think in this game it's clear Icon is sorting people and the idea that scum-Icon just attacks anyone that attacks it is too rooted in some theory of how scum act rather than how they (and in particular, Icon) act in practice.
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also thinking atm that NPOM has higher scum equity if snowblaze is town actually

Talk to me about this more.
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Maybe I'm just projecting, but Snowblaze's play reminds me a lot of when I'm town and having trouble getting scumreads. I just don't see this slot as scum.

VOTE: Testarossa. I took up Koba's offer to iso Testa and there's a lot of hedging language in there. Try doing a find-in-page highlight of the word "but" and you'll see it's all over the place.

I want to give this wagon some momentum and see where it goes.

I never realy liked this vote of ald's. He never really does anything to defuse the snow wagon. Combined with no real strong reason of his for his vote on teste.

If i was scum and faced with a snow town wagon. Unless already comitted i would try and create a counter wagon. Either i get the counter wagon through and let town eat it self the next day. or i get some town cred for being against teh lynch of the flipped townie. as a wagon with no counter wagon forming is a sign of that player being town.


I don't like the use of him saying “I'm town and having trouble getting scumreads”. Felt two fold, first like a potential scum slip and second a scum player assigning their characteristics to match a player they know is town. Who could potentially get lynched.


Now the first not strong as i know i make a conscious effort as a town to avoid such wording lest it give the appearance of a false scum slip. Now the latter could be me over thinking and seeing plays I make in others.

[bob3141]

Now the bit where ald talked about ico being emotional players that tends to get into fights. Leads me to believe that ald/andre is not s/s.

Does not look like a conversation between two scum partners. So if i'm right on ald then i leaning on andre being town.

[bob3141]

hellbrooks i have nothing really on apart from a weak initial read based on his fourth vote on george. Certainly not conclusive but the fact this tends to come from town more than scum. Has me on balance town reading him. Simply based on balance of probabilities.

Was based on the belief that was found to be correct that george was town. Now scum really only push day one wagons up high if they are players that throw their vote around a lot. The fact that he has been concervative with his votes leads me again to town.


Now this observation could actually be nonsense. But it's something I've observed in my town and scum games. Only once from scum and that was a player that hopped and sheeped allot.

[bob3141]

NoPowerOverMe, Alduskkel, Snowblaze, hellbooks

That was george is wagon. And no way could i see all 3 being scum. And would lean only one.

Again a weak read but if one of powers or alds is scum then it makes hellbooks even less likely to be scum. As often scum dont tend to concentrate their vote that early.

[bob3141]

where's your vote

I genuinely am not sure. If i pick wrong again then it messes up town. I've really only spent a few days looking at the thread. And i'm still at the stage of my usual town day one reads.

The thing for town at the moment is that me being in l-1 will be a major distraction that is just better removed. I'm starting to think that the rest of the town just needs to move on.



And i will not be on att all for the next 4 days.

[Andresvmb]

@Alduskkel from your ISO, what I see is that you’ve had a solid TR of Ico which has remained consistent, a reasonably solid SR of NPOM which has also been somewhat consistent, and you acted upon your suspicion of Janko (partly I believe because you agreed with Ico), which turned out to be incorrect. Can you share maybe some other reads that you have?

[bob3141]

If my achieves that, then that's an unfortunate necessity. As to many players scum read me for them to be all scum. And at least one of the the players that hard scum reading me is bound to be town. Which makes my slot an easy lylo mislynch.

[DkKoba]

im like 15 minutes away from just straight hammering lol

[bob3141]

anyway at the moment my best bet is on Alduskkel

VOTE: Alduskkel

My lycnh prob is still better for town. Well unless im actualy right this time.

[bob3141]

if ald's is scum then i woudl expect at nmost of teh plyers to have voted ico to be scum

[bob3141]

if ald's is scum then i would expect at most one of the plyers to have voted ico to be scum


corrected

[DkKoba]

u know i think theres bussing going on but ill fuckin take it

[Iconeum]

npwie, datisi + that one who claimed pt cop is never scum + scum

what's the play there? it gets blown open by massclaim

is suicide

are you scumM?

bob feels very pocketyyy here

i also don't really like npow thinking today
but it's so much all over the place it's hard to see it comming from scummy?

[Iconeum]

everyone should realize that if we do'nt flip bob today, that window will close and he will not be lynched for the remainder of the game

[Iconeum]

aldus is such a ppor poor execution for today

it solves nothing imo

even a scumflip there isn't *that* great tbh

but i've not fully caught up yet so maybe?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'd feel pretty good about an aldus scumflip. Don't know what u are smoking but I want some.

[bob3141]

everyone should realize that if we do'nt flip bob today, that window will close and he will not be lynched for the remainder of the game

Thats actualy how i won my first scum game.

I game in with a big scummy push on my buddy to save him. Get him as confirmed town even if it ended up in my lynch. I won 3p lylo with the 3 masons thinking i was just bad town.

[DkKoba]

"a scum flip isn't great" - ico 2020

[Datisi]

ico you're drunk this isn't the scum PT

[bob3141]

Day after day they went after lynching who they thought my partners were. Until after the second time they resolved i was town that made a bad push. And not the fact that it was overshoot

[bob3141]

I even got two players that hard scum read me to go after each other. Masons tunnel got so bad that the masons ended up lynching clear town over me an open wolf in lylo