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Post Post #2350 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:46 pm

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In post 2310, Isis wrote:
@Frederick A Campbell: Who designed the setup?
Check out the "Setup Designer:" section in the post below.
In post 0, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
Mini Normal 2153

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Setup Designer:
Fredrick A Campbell

Primary Setup Reviewer:
mastina

Secondary Setup Reviewer:
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Playerlist:
  1. bob3141
  2. notscience
  3. geraintm
  4. UnaBombaH
  5. Replacement for Sujimichi
    Sujimichi

  6. Porkens
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  7. Bellaphant

  8. Not_Mafia
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  9. Galron
  10. Hoopla
  11. popopopopopopo

  12. Isis
  13. Dunnstral
denotes the first prod.
denotes the second prod.
denotes the third prod.

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  • Replacement for Sujimichi
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  • Isis



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Post Post #2351 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:30 am

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I'm an ungated VT with a vanilla modifier.

Haven't read through anything properly since day start, will do so later tonight.
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Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:43 am

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I am a plain vt. I think i was fairly explicit all the way through the vame saying I would never have any extra info
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Post Post #2353 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:46 am

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Cool so time to lynch RfS then?
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
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Post Post #2354 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:20 am

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Yea, I'm still thinking RfS today.
I'm just wondering whether that's what I'm "supposed" to think, or what I'm actually thinking.
If that makes any sense.
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Post Post #2355 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:23 am

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Why didn't we get the necessary fuel to a RfS-wagon yesterday btw?
Was it all because I did that poke towards N_M to fish for reactions? That was enough to make me an interesting enough lynch to keep RfS from being a realistic option?

I mean, I still think Bella was acting like scum, but RfS got off relatively easy yesterday now that I think about it.
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Post Post #2356 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:29 am

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Wow what a revelation
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
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Post Post #2357 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:56 am

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In post 2339, Isis wrote:Gera, say you execute N_M, he flips scum, the mafia no kill, and you go to the next day phase and Frederick says no No Executing

Who are you voting?
Well....not sure being honest. I want to vote not mafia, suspect it is like 70/30 to be right. Tonorrow is a day away. I hate the push towards replacement. Fear my interagency is going to cost us now, but feel as town has pretty much had no successful hits on any day on any jnfo the roughly 25% chance we have left seems fair
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Post Post #2358 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:56 am

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What're your track results, Isis?

Think it's Not_Mafia with either Isis or Una. I townread Gera.
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Post Post #2359 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:57 am

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What changed your trajectory from Una to Replacement, N_M?
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Post Post #2360 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:12 am

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In post 2357, geraintm wrote:
In post 2339, Isis wrote:Gera, say you execute N_M, he flips scum, the mafia no kill, and you go to the next day phase and Frederick says no No Executing

Who are you voting?
Well....not sure being honest. I want to vote not mafia, suspect it is like 70/30 to be right. Tonorrow is a day away. I hate the push towards replacement. Fear my interagency is going to cost us now, but feel as town has pretty much had no successful hits on any day on any jnfo the roughly 25% chance we have left seems fair
Yeah, I don't really get what the push on me is, even now. I don't know why Bob and I had to be SvS. Isis's push on me feels in bad faith, and Una saying "wow, why didn't we have the fuel to push Replacement through" feels fake, especially since he never voted me towards the end.

I think Una-Isis is an unlikely team though, the way they've interacted this game doesn't seem faked, with the way Isis was pushing him a couple of days ago.

So, basically I just want to clown Not_Mafia.
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Post Post #2361 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:17 am

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I'm town though
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
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Post Post #2362 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:26 am

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Want isis to come back.
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Post Post #2363 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:27 am

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Confess that I am at the stage of the game where not much people can say will alter my thoughts.
People pointing out votes and quotes from the past might, but bleating now won't.
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Post Post #2364 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:07 pm

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Night 1 I tracked notscience because he seemed PRish and finding the scum in your townreads is always nice. He visited Hoopla. WHYYYYY
When I told Una "don't pretend you're more of a clown than notscience" or something
It was a reference to this oof. I guess maybe he thought he was a vanilla cop, which would catch !goon Hoopla a phase sooner.

N2 I tracked RfS visiting notscience, who was the factional night kill. I crumbed that very clearly so you could exile him if I died. Some people claim their first guilty immediately but I don't get why you'd stop investigating like that.
N3 Not Mafia did not go anywhere.
N4 I did not receive a result, trying to target Una. This suggests that Not Mafia Is genuinely conftown, assuming the mafia are now at one goon one full roleblocker and that's why I couldn't act night four, then not-mafia would have been busy roleblocking people n3 as scum. It could randomly be an even night roleblocker or whatever but I'd like to just risk it.

I'm not sure which of Una or gera is scum
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Post Post #2365 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:08 pm

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All my results are pretty clearly crumbed in the first post of each day phase, you can go look.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #2366 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:08 pm

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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #2367 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:24 pm

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Right, so it's Isis and Not_Mafia then. Perfectly calculated by me :cool:

I think Isis is trying to go for the win today, as opposed to having her buddy clowned, since both Gera and I were looking to vote him.

VOTE: Isis
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Post Post #2368 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:27 pm

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We have a flipped psychologist, follower, and Neapolitan lol. The tracker claim was a scumclaim in the first place actually. Isis has claimed another investigative in a setup with 3 flipped ones already, 1 of them being strong, and the other 2 being moderate.
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Post Post #2369 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:31 pm

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1 mafia roleblocker
1 mafia indecisive motion detector
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Post Post #2370 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:33 pm

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That really looked balanced to you, Isis?
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Post Post #2371 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:37 pm

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No but I consistently view the creations of NRG as imba.

The last time I was a PR it was

2 Mafia Goon
1 1-shot mafia strongman
1 weak doctor
1 psychologist
1 motion detector
1 1-shot vig
6 vt

So the weak doctor was strong than the neap and the motion detector was weaker than the tracker and oh that setup just had an additional conftown due to the 1-shot vig
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Post Post #2372 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:37 pm

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Mastina also reviewed that one
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #2373 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:12 pm

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The setup here is more heavily stacked if your role was real.

Those townsided setups are anomalies anyway, if you look through the most recently completed games, there's far fewer investigative power than what you're claiming here.
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Post Post #2374 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:18 pm

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These are all very flawed investigative roles
It is a lot though so arguing with you is awk cause I feel bad for your faction :/
I think the utility of the indecisive motion detector was probably overrated
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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