Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Ruby Red]

NOW ENTERING LYLO

[Ruby Red]

Votecount 8.0

Target	Wagon
Not Voting (7)	Almost50, Raya36, Lavender, Marksman, Isis, Casey, innocentvillager

With 7 alive, it's 4 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-18 00:26:59) until the poison sets in.

Time added.

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Isis

I haven’t been this supportive of a vote since clone. It feels good to finally vote a scumread

[Casey]

VOTE: Isis

We can talk about the rest after the timer is stopped.

[innocentvillager]

yeah there’s almost no fucking way this slot flips green

I will send everyone currently alive in this game $100 usd on cash app if this flips green

[Isis]

I acknowledged/implied that the chart was not a real reason to townread you Casey. I thought you seemed scummy all game but decided to start reconsidering around then, and some of the posts after the chart changed my mind, looking back, 951 and 959 were two of the good ones.
I knew my vote on Wey was a hammer. I was realizing that there was a player in the game that had requested the privilege of hammering, I was not realizing that I had hammered at all.

I don't really want to keep up with IV's spam posting and if I hem and haw things defending myself, we probably lose anyway from the timer. So.. the best I can ask is that you follow an instinct on someone else you want to dunk even more, because then we get one more misdunk and we wouldn't lose it if you dunk me after.

Ignoring IV's chanting, do you really think I'm the scummiest in the whole game?
I haven't given this game as much effort as some of my others honestly, but I'd still be a bit disappointed

pedit: there were pedits.

[Casey]

You aren't even responding to the worst parts about your case.

[innocentvillager]

Light her up Casey!

[Casey]

Like imagine your place is on fire and you look down and go, "Hey guys, I found two softballs!"

[innocentvillager]

no point engaging with her anymore lol she can flail and AtE all she wants not gonna change anything

[Isis]

The two points I picked were factual innaccuracies, the other parts are opinion based. I didn't actually want to talk about your case at all until I got a feeling on whether you were reconsidering at all, but it was hard to resist pointing out really fact-based-things

[Casey]

Yes, scum tend to be preoccupied with evidence rather than opinions.

[innocentvillager]

Casey is there a reason you don’t want to talk about future elims now?

[Casey]

I mean we can.

[innocentvillager]

well okay where’s your head at then? how do you feel about my marksman/a50 combo?

[Casey]

So we have to assume Isis is maf. There's no point in conjecturing a path where the game is just... over.

That leaves A50, Raya, and Lavender as big zero buddies via Isis, and Mark as a 5.

Suppose I'll reread Mark knowing Isis is maf.

I WOULD reread significant Raya/Isis and Lavender/Isis interactions BUT THERE ARE NONE.

[Casey]

(Also A50/Isis, I keep forgetting him because he's wedged in the right side.)

[Casey]

Actually A50 did interact a small amount with Isis but it was all unrequited.

[Casey]

Reading Marksman's questions to other players is like "Oops all softballs." I'm getting nothing from this.

[Casey]

I TR Marksman, Isis, Casey, Almost50, innocentvillager

This game is unsolvable

Somebody once told me having too many townreads is scummy.

Raya and Isis literally never talked to each other the entire game.

[innocentvillager]

Reading Marksman's questions to other players is like "Oops all softballs." I'm getting nothing from this.

what does that mean

I just dual ISO skimmed marksman and Isis. I would give them a fat 0 on your associations matrix

Some very normal interaction early and middle game and Marksman putting her as top town mid game and late game for “nuancyness”

There’s nothing to suggest they’re super partnery but definitely nothing to suggest theyre not

[Casey]

It means none of Mark's questions have any bite to them. They're just questions for the sake of looking like you're doing something.

[Casey]

This is the only Isis/Lav interaction and it's forced because Isis clearly says she's trying to avoid being a zero there.

Based on how Ruby Red's schedule happens to compare to Casey's we might have to vote on her contingencies?

I want to build up beyond a 0 with Lavender not because I am worried about ruling out scumteams or something or whatever but because Lavender is cool

Lavender come level up our relationship

Why'd you unvote Hiraki?

Lmao XD
I unvoted because
A. I’m really bad at reads, like really bad, so I second-guessed myself.
And
B. I wanted them to have a chance to say something before they got hammered.

If you're usually bad at reads, do you ever try finding townreads and trusting them?

I mean I think I do?
Maybe maybe...I can’t remember past times where I’ve decided to trust someone always except this game where we’re on our last stand.

[innocentvillager]

I really think the important stuff is in the late game around where town was in the dumps. Scum show their true colors there because the scum mindset is so so vastly different from the town mindset at that point. This is not the case for eaely game necessarily, scum just have to blend in then.

Even if Marksman is busy RL we cannot ignore the specific content he chooses to post with that time. This also reflects either a scum or town mindset. The scum mindset is to steer the elim away from his team casting doubt on everything and kind of blend in. The townie motivation is to focus on reads, hypotheses, re-evaluate reads, focus on solving and casing the game.

I don’t buy that town!Marksman doesn’t have tiem to play this game, has adamant reads but doesn’t push them/reevaluate/get paranoia/genuinely try to solve, and yet chooses to spend his limited time fighting a strategy that will allow for a reasonable chance of success.

There is simply a disconnect between him not pushing reads and refusing to let a town figure push reads that is rooted at its core in the different in alignment mindsets around lylo

I like skimming through the isos for associations as well but I just feel like it’s harder to find stuff there because scum can fake a lot of things with each other

If anything I think Raya and Isis not even mentioning each other at all feels slightly townier but whatever I can see a 0 in your matrix there

[innocentvillager]

Isis-I like the way their playing this, it feels the point of view of a town person playing this. Honestly, their posts give me more motivation to actually do something XD. (Btw you accidentally voted me twice in the past o.O)

i really don't think this is scum!Lav talking about a partner

I still think this is kind of significant

I know we are thinking about this a bit differently, I am kind of pushing the scum!narrative and trying to delve into the individual mindsets of each of these players deducing what is more or less likely to come from town/scum, while you’re looking primarily at pairwise associations.

Just want to keep that in context for everyone