Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Bell]

None of those links work.


Hi Marashu, why are you leading with “I want to pressure Bell to see if he’s town or not”
To everyone? Including me.

[Marashu]

None of those links work.


Hi Marashu, why are you leading with “I want to pressure Bell to see if he’s town or not”
To everyone? Including me.

Ugh. So some of them have whitespace after the number, which breaks the links. The ones where the underline doesn't stretch past the number should work.

As for why, because I'm declaring my intention.

[Bell]

And why are you declaring your intention?

[Hiraki]

Yeah I don't get Dunn's postings either but I'm not gonna complain about his vote.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Bell - I'm getting some town pings, but I'm also getting some scum pings from this slot. I want pressure here to help sort. I don't know if it's because he's V/LA until Monday, but a lot of his posts feel like fluff and don't really contribute anything. Also not a fan of his intent to park a vote on Hiraki and not move it for the rest of D1.

What is your read on Hiraki? I don't really see a definitive stance by you on him

I'm curious why you'd be bothered by a vote on someone you haven't really sorted yet

[Dannflor]

eh I don't really think Dunn is scum anymore

At least his self-admittedly not reading the thread isn't inherently scummy. I can see his posts coming from non-invested town.

But I'd imagine he would establish more of a presence early on as scum

[Bell]

You’re saying in general non-invested town could be playing like dunn
Then saying specifically that Dunnstral, because you have a high opinion of him, wouldn’t play like this if he rollled scum?
I was and am willing to wait until he reads the thread and gets caught up.
But that vote on mena seems toxicish, I want him to explain what he meant.

[Menalque]

That is like, the exact opposite of what you started off saying about dunn and your take on him

[Menalque]

I just expect a lot from Dunnstral's town game and entering with a setup question followed by #42 where he answers a question with a non-answer question that doesn't really seem productive or game-furthering in anyway is not what I expect from him.

[Menalque]

But that vote on mena seems toxicish

I mean I don’t think it was tbh?

[Menalque]

But I'd imagine he would establish more of a presence early on as scum

Also when I said this you fought me on it, or at the very least disagreed, so what’s changed?

[Menalque]

Early on is exactly the time to be reach imo.

I just expect a lot from Dunnstral's town game and entering with a setup question followed by #42 where he answers a question with a non-answer question that doesn't really seem productive or game-furthering in anyway is not what I expect from him.

I think I’ve just moved away from this in my own approach and like to just solidly meme normally until my reads start firming up as people start pushing etc, and I think I’m trying to avoid being reachy myself as I’ve come to terms with the fact that my reads are like, not great

For dunn: guess I’m willing to wait and see? I’ve misread him as scum before when he’s just had a lazy towngame and so I think that’s not pinging me because I have no idea if this is likely to be a tryhardy game for him as town, plus I think he’s out in multiple very competent scum performances recently and lowkey think he’d make a townier entrance than that if he were scum. So I guess I’m a gut level I’m very slightly townleaning him from it

I think I’ve just moved away from this in my own approach and like to just solidly meme normally until my reads start firming up as people start pushing etc, and I think I’m trying to avoid being reachy myself as I’ve come to terms with the fact that my reads are like, not great

For dunn: guess I’m willing to wait and see? I’ve misread him as scum before when he’s just had a lazy towngame and so I think that’s not pinging me because I have no idea if this is likely to be a tryhardy game for him as town, plus I think he’s out in multiple very competent scum performances recently and lowkey think he’d make a townier entrance than that if he were scum. So I guess I’m a gut level I’m very slightly townleaning him from it

That's fair. I just like to make things happen sometimes and maybe don't mind looking dumb with bad reads later on.

Overall, I expect my reads to change a lot. I'm willing to wait and see with Dunn too. Me scum reading an element of someone's posting or even voting a slot doesn't necessarily mean I want to kill that slot RIGHT NOW, it can often just mean I want to see what happens if I do.

Eh, not massively tho I guess

[Bell]

Is he really voting you, for voting him while admitting you’re only voting him to get him to post more?
It seems at the lowest to be manipulative and not intended to hit scum

[Menalque]

I didn’t say it wasn’t a bad vote, but scummy/bad =/= toxic

[Menalque]

I’m not really sure what alignment bell is but I think I’m gonna townbin him to make life easier

[Menalque]

Why is this day dragging so much, can we seriously not just execute in (hiraki, dunn, gypx, A50, gamma) and move on?

[Menalque]

VOTE: Bell - I'm getting some town pings, but I'm also getting some scum pings from this slot. I want pressure here to help sort. I don't know if it's because he's V/LA until Monday, but a lot of his posts feel like fluff and don't really contribute anything. Also not a fan of his intent to park a vote on Hiraki and not move it for the rest of D1.

I dislike this vote almost as much as I liked the vote on teacher and I’m not sure what that means for my marashu read

[Menalque]

Oh wait, I checked the VC, maybe it’s not that bad

Still, idk if I like it

[Dannflor]

But I'd imagine he would establish more of a presence early on as scum

Also when I said this you fought me on it, or at the very least disagreed, so what’s changed?

eh it's more like first page vs. full first day

I thought his entrance / original posts were conceivably an entrance he thought would be town but ended up falling flat

but at this point it feels like he's not really going to establish anything before the day is over and that just feels like a death knell?

I don't really know what Dunnstral's scum game is like but personally I'm more confident as town that I can revive people's opinions of my slot after having a bad start or being inactive than I am as scum

[Menalque]

Why does town dunn care about projecting a town entrance in the first place?

[Menalque]

I don't really know what Dunnstral's scum game is like but personally I'm more confident as town that I can revive people's opinions of my slot after having a bad start or being inactive than I am as scum

I don’t really get what you’re saying here/how it’s relevant?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Hiraki

[Menalque]

Why is this day dragging so much, can we seriously not just execute in (hiraki, dunn, gypx, A50, gamma) and move on?

Do you think this is significantly off and if so why?

[Dannflor]

I don't really know what Dunnstral's scum game is like but personally I'm more confident as town that I can revive people's opinions of my slot after having a bad start or being inactive than I am as scum

I don’t really get what you’re saying here/how it’s relevant?

Like, as town I'm more okay with having a mediocre day 1 than I would be as scum.

If you want to endgame as scum you have to play relatively strongly from the beginning. As town, you don't have to worry about end gaming, and it's also always easier to turn your slot around and obvtown if you are actually town

[Bell]

You sound like you’re talking about optimal play versus what actually happens in games.