Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Dannflor]

maybe, maybe I'm just overthinking it

I just saw him openly admit to not reading the thread and it kinda changed how I was viewing him

I guess I don't really have a good reason to town read him perse, but as a Day 1 flip he's probably not ideal

[Menalque]

Oh, right, yeah that does make sense

I don’t really think it makes him town tho? It just means that he wouldn’t be trying to deepwolf this game. I’m p sure it’s within Dunn’s meta to just lurk out as scum too

[Menalque]

^^ in response to 973

[Dannflor]

I’m p sure it’s within Dunn’s meta to just lurk out as scum too

yeah okay

I'm still down to eliminate him at some point

but even if he flips scum I'd rather flip a slot like Hiraki that has a lot of posts/interaction but almost 0 progression

[Menalque]

Yeah okay, that makes sense

[Menalque]

Wait I’m not already revoting hiraki lmao

VOTE: hiraki

[Menalque]

How you feeling about bell btw?

Also any ideas on marashu?

[Bell]

Confidence interval on Hiraki?

[Menalque]

Me? Pretty confident still, nothing has really changed other than I was willing to work with teacher for a bit because he was implicitly asking me to

I think I’m also fairly confident that gypx!slot is scum but I agree with dann that flipping hiraki will be much more useful D1

[Bell]

VOTE: Hiraki

[Bell]

Not feeling gamma scum.

[Dannflor]

I like Bell, I like the way they've approached the game enough so far to put them as town and not rethink at least for today. Specifically, I think how he immediately called out Hiraki liking his entrance as weird was towny.

Marashu's #930 is bad. I'm not sure what separates Bell from the many other slots that need sorting, or what a single vote is going to do. "voting for pressure" is all well and good when there's a wagon, but we're pretty far through the day with already built up wagon candidates and Marashu votes a vanity wagon for pressure? He's not even pushing it as an elimination option

I almost immediately voted Marashu when I came back and saw that before I did some more reading and saw that Hiraki had basically not progressed at all since I'd left

[Dannflor]

I'm not really feeling Gamma scum either and I'm not sure if a hiraki!scum flip would change that either.

I think if Gamma wanted to come in and push someone to protect his scum buddy there are much better targets than dramonic, who was getting fairly widely town read if I remember correctly? Dramonic was also someone town reading hiraki so that theory feels off

[Menalque]

I really liked marashu’s teacher vote

[Menalque]

Do you think scum!gamma would knowingly pick a fight with town!me to defend a buddy or nah?

[Dannflor]

I really liked marashu’s teacher vote

I don't like how quickly Marashu backed off of it and then switched to Bell though

Like it was good but it felt like Marashu went through the motions of sorting teacher

[Menalque]

Yeah I kind of liked it because he hasn’t had a /lot/ of success as scum I think, so I felt like him pushing teacher was quite indicative of independent thought and a willingness to pursue his own reads?

And then I didn’t like the bell vote but I couldn’t put my finger on why, so was wondering if actually it was broadly the same as the teacher vote, but I think you’re right. The first one felt good, the second one feels more like avoiding associations with anyone really likely to be flipped today

[Dannflor]

Do you think scum!gamma would knowingly pick a fight with town!me to defend a buddy or nah?

I don't know enough about his meta to really make a call like that about a specific player. I think he might if he felt his partner was in danger enough + you were an easy enough target.

I didn't really see him pushing you as much though over arguing with you about dramonic/hiraki?

[Menalque]

I guess if I’m wrong on gamma i could see marashu

[Menalque]

I didn't really see him pushing you as much though over arguing with you about dramonic/hiraki?

Yeah, that’s my point, I sort of feel like dram is a much softer target than I am in this PL and also just doesn’t really have the energy I do given that I’m restricting the number of games I’m in

Like I dislike gamma a lot more for the fact that he came in, shaded me and called me scummy, but just... never really pursued it, pushed dram (who I think is town) for reasons that I sort of think should be equally applicable to hiraki but who he’s townreading for ?? reasons

And then faded away after that

I sort of think town!gamma would always pick a fight with me if he thought I was scum, whereas I feel like he’s sort of playing around me in a very strategic way?

[Dannflor]

Yeah I kind of liked it because he hasn’t had a /lot/ of success as scum I think, so I felt like him pushing teacher was quite indicative of independent thought and a willingness to pursue his own reads?

I just didn't see as much followup as I would've liked. He made one post engaging with teacher but I don't understand where he ended up on teacher read-wise and then he never picked back up with the questions he asked teacher

Some of that could be attributed to missing posts / getting uninvested in the game, but I feel like claiming to have reread and resorted his thoughts out and then going into a mostly empty vote on Bell has his conclusion is not a good way to reenter the thread

[Dannflor]

Oh that makes sense

I was viewing things as more people overall were town reading dramonic than town reading you at the time, thus you're an easier target.

I'd like to see him go into his thoughts on other slots besides dramonic more, particularly your slot.

[Menalque]

Yeah I kind of liked it because he hasn’t had a /lot/ of success as scum I think, so I felt like him pushing teacher was quite indicative of independent thought and a willingness to pursue his own reads?

I just didn't see as much followup as I would've liked. He made one post engaging with teacher but I don't understand where he ended up on teacher read-wise and then he never picked back up with the questions he asked teacher

Some of that could be attributed to missing posts / getting uninvested in the game, but I feel like claiming to have reread and resorted his thoughts out and then going into a mostly empty vote on Bell has his conclusion is not a good way to reenter the thread

Okay, I’ll have another look at the ISO but prob tomorrow as it’s getting late now. But okay, I do see what you’re getting at

I think it’s mildly hilarious if Mara is scum fwiw, the guy has literally the worst luck in the world (depending on how you look at it)

[dramonic]

Why is this day dragging so much, can we seriously not just execute in (hiraki, dunn, gypx, A50, gamma) and move on?

So Hiraki, how does it feel to be wagonned entirely by scum?

[Menalque]

Oh, is bell scum too now?