Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Menalque]

Has your read on Jake's slot evolved at all since TH replaced out?

I think that his entrance is prob +town?

Idk I think bell was going back and forth with me on this, but I’m somewhat doubtful that Jake reps in as top wagon and thinks “yes, this is an optimal game for me to do my gimmick in!” As opposed to doing tryhardy posting

Flip side, despite being committed to the gimmick he has been kinda tryhardy

Mostly a big fat idk. I think you had a point that I don’t have town!meta on haven to make a comparison to, but she just felt townie and I like, hate the pressure on that slot apart from testa (And tbh testa’s vote there coupled with low activity is the main reason testa isn’t in my top tier of TRs)

[Bell]

Jake is hard to read for me. He’s asking questions, explaining himself, defending himself, but nothing seems unique to me.

[Menalque]

Teacher what do you think about compromising on hiraki?

[Hiraki]

because it shows an actual change in his reads

Dannflor, it is okay, you will find the way eventually, I hope.

dannflor is accusing me of figuring out the game on page 5 and thinking, as scum, that i thought that i could fool the entire town into believing that i had done it with flawless logic and mastery. if anything, it's showing the opposite that his implication is so illogical and improbable that i can then say the opposite is also true. if that's "chestnuting" then go ahead, i don't want to deal with brain dead

townies

for the rest of the game

now you see why i am irritated

I feel like Hiraki been town on you for a while?

thank you teacher

He said he liked my entrance, not that it was townie. And he didn’t give a read after I asked him for one.

correct - i still think you're witty but you haven't done anything past the wittiness

[Dannflor]

hm I'm thinking about going back to Dunn but I'm indecisive

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Dunn

[Dannflor]

also re: Jake

I just noticed he isn't voting a counter wagon despite being the top wagon himself. maybe his strategy is just to look town and hope the pressure evaporates, but the lack of any counter push at all from him is curious

[Bell]

Does dannflorr always think out loud?

[Hiraki]

also re: Jake

I just noticed he isn't voting a counter wagon despite being the top wagon himself. maybe his strategy is just to look town and hope the pressure evaporates, but the lack of any counter push at all from him is curious

I agree with this. This is why I pressured him on picking someone to focus on rather than saying "someone on my wagon is BAD!" He was unable to do that.

[Bell]

He’a pinged my scumdar twice by thinking outloud.

[teacher]

Bell is your alt outed? (I think you said do you know who I am at some point, apologies if fuzzy memories misled me)

[Menalque]

I’m now thinking quite strongly that flipping dunn is a bad move and I’d like you to compromise back on hiraki, dann

@bell I think he does but I’m not totally sure. I think it’s towny tho

[Menalque]

Honestly, fakegod has it so right with the 8 day deadlines

It’s enough time to decently analyse but it also forces people to shit or get off the pot instead of these dumbassed killing time days where we’re basically producing a whole lot of dogshit when the only thing that’s liable to meaningfully progress the game is a flip

[teacher]

@mena - I think I’m still willing to end the day there, but I don’t think it’s far and away my preferred exile anymore. Again, I’d rather get gypyx and/or Dunn into the game and kick the tires generally a bit more. Was surprised to see A50 in your compromise list?

[Menalque]

Hiraki is scum or hiraki is not scum

The gamestate looks very different depending on which one of those is true

The only way to find out is flipping him and seeing what colour shows, so can we get to the doing that please instead of this endless back and forth in a no-info gamestate?

[teacher]

Lol at cross posting. I agree 8 days would be enough if this were a 9 player game, but I’m not crazy about rushing past the slots choosing to stay sidelined.

[Menalque]

What is the great advantage in dragging out the day another 4-5 IRL days for the possibility that dunn or gypx start playing harder?

And idk I don’t townread A50 and I think I TR most other slots more than him

I think like even if mara is scum and gamma is town, A50 is still very much within that pool

[Menalque]

I mean fakegod has been running 8 day days in like 17p larges for a while now and I think it’s much better and much more pro-town than 14 day days in a 13p

[Menalque]

Mark my words: nothing more meaningful than what we already have will happen in the remaining days until deadline. All the additional days will lead to is additional posting that will make the signal harder to find for all the noise

[Dannflor]

Does dannflorr always think out loud?

I tend to try to be as transparent with my thoughts as possible yes

[teacher]

Talk to me about Dann? Like I vibes hard on Hiraki a while back and have liked all the posts, but feel like there is a chance both pole stars in the game (you/Hiraki) are town, and scum is just lightly positioning around them. Maybe I’ve gotten to the point in the day where paranoi starts to eat at a good thing - in fact I think that is likely given how much I liked Dann before. Just found the sudden burst of posting tonight off putting in a way I haven’t yet been able to consciously verbalize.

[Menalque]

I think dann is still very probably town despite a slight unease around his dunn flip flop. I doubt anything that will happen without a flip bus going to change my read on you or dann unless you were to legit scumslip which let’s face it, won’t happen

[Dannflor]

I am also trying to get back into a game that I missed a large chunk of and haven't read completely thoroughly yet

it's contributing a lot to dissonance within my own head even

[Dannflor]

Hiraki is scum or hiraki is not scum

The gamestate looks very different depending on which one of those is true

The only way to find out is flipping him and seeing what colour shows, so can we get to the doing that please instead of this endless back and forth in a no-info gamestate?

I mean if we're talking about flipping for info I'm somewhat interested in Jake given that slot has been the top wagon all day

I concede the point that even if Dunn flips scum we don't have a ton to go on though

[teacher]

also re: Jake

I just noticed he isn't voting a counter wagon despite being the top wagon himself. maybe his strategy is just to look town and hope the pressure evaporates, but the lack of any counter push at all from him is curious

I agree with this. This is why I pressured him on picking someone to focus on rather than saying "someone on my wagon is BAD!" He was unable to do that.

Wouldn’t a strong counter be more survivalist ic at this point? I’m not sure what point the two of you are making — sure it’s interesting, but how are you taking that?