Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[teacher]

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[Dannflor]

I'm taking it as slightly towny

I don't have much more of an opinion on that slot though

[Menalque]

I mean if we're talking about flipping for info I'm somewhat interested in Jake given that slot has been the top wagon all day

Okay but counterpoint

I think hiraki will flip scum and I don’t think Jake will

Like hiraki is the most productive slot to flip who I actively think will flip scum

[Menalque]

If you both think I’m town

Don’t really think hiraki is town

And don’t feel super strongly that any other slot is scum

Then can you please just work with me here and vote hiraki so we can actually get some progress?

[teacher]

@teacher:
Considering you were nullscum on Marashu, what do you make of their recent posting? Particularly about his reflection of his arguments concerning his read on you?

I am done, sorry for the multiposts.

I actually think I missed the reflection. I saw the change in vote, but I don’t remember any reflection/reasons for a changed read. Call it out?

[teacher]

Not yet from me mate. Probs will put it up in a couple days. Sorry if I’m being a stuck in the mud.

[Bell]

Bell is your alt outed? (I think you said do you know who I am at some point, apologies if fuzzy memories misled me)

Nono, it’s a trope.
“Do you know who I am!?” Was in response to what hiraki said above me. It’s short hand in some television to introduce thugs with that line screen to present a character as entitled/evil. It’s kind of lazy writing because it presents people as 2 dimensional.
Last played here 6 years ago.

Busy. Post later.

[Dannflor]

I'm conflicted Menalque because I keep coming back to thinking Hiraki might actually be town

I'm gonna take a short break from the thread because my mind keeps going in circles and I'm not gonna accomplish anything more by thinking out loud

I'll come back with some conviction hopefully and put my vote down

[Bell]

Does dannflorr always think out loud?

I tend to try to be as transparent with my thoughts as possible yes

Hmm. Sometimes i see scum write out loud so that they stay in character. Rather they think about how’d they play as town and forget to put the script down.

[Bell]

Don’t have time to meta this rn.
Other people’s thoughts?
@teacher see it. Thx.

[Hiraki]

He’a pinged my scumdar twice by thinking outloud.

Wanna share? I don't see anything bad yet.

I’m now thinking quite strongly that flipping dunn is a bad move and I’d like you to compromise back on hiraki, dann

There's still a week left. Are you that desperate?

It’s enough time to decently analyse but it also forces people to shit or get off the pot instead of these dumbassed killing time days where we’re basically producing a whole lot of dogshit when the only thing that’s liable to meaningfully progress the game is a flip

keep crying ya baby

Hiraki is scum or hiraki is not scum

The gamestate looks very different depending on which one of those is true

The only way to find out is flipping him and seeing what colour shows, so can we get to the doing that please instead of this endless back and forth in a no-info gamestate?

~so innovative~

What is the great advantage in dragging out the day another 4-5 IRL days for the possibility that dunn or gypx start playing harder?

So you don't care about reading them if they do actually become readable?

and scum is just lightly positioning around them.

wonder whom

also re: Jake

I just noticed he isn't voting a counter wagon despite being the top wagon himself. maybe his strategy is just to look town and hope the pressure evaporates, but the lack of any counter push at all from him is curious

I agree with this. This is why I pressured him on picking someone to focus on rather than saying "someone on my wagon is BAD!" He was unable to do that.

Wouldn’t a strong counter be more survivalist ic at this point? I’m not sure what point the two of you are making — sure it’s interesting, but how are you taking that?

Not following.

Then can you please just work with me here and vote hiraki so we can actually get some progress?

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

imagine if i cried for almost 40 pages to lynch just one person? and people tried to call me out for not progressing other reads? menalque can't do anything without me or dram being dead

[teacher]

and scum is just lightly positioning around them.

wonder whom

your broader thoughts would actually be welcome, rather than this empty aside.

also re: Jake

I just noticed he isn't voting a counter wagon despite being the top wagon himself. maybe his strategy is just to look town and hope the pressure evaporates, but the lack of any counter push at all from him is curious

I agree with this. This is why I pressured him on picking someone to focus on rather than saying "someone on my wagon is BAD!" He was unable to do that.

Wouldn’t a strong counter be more survivalist ic at this point? I’m not sure what point the two of you are making — sure it’s interesting, but how are you taking that?

Not following.

me implying that Jakes lack of a push/joining the larger counterwagon could be viewed as Townie. I’m pretty content that I’m not voting that slot today.

[dramonic]

Hiraki is scum or hiraki is not scum

The gamestate looks very different depending on which one of those is true

The only way to find out is flipping him and seeing what colour shows, so can we get to the doing that please instead of this endless back and forth in a no-info gamestate?

We'd get plenty more information from your flip or Jake's, the latter because his wagon is stalled for no reason, the former because we'll get to out the people who think you spending 200 posts doing absolutely jack besides ask other people to feed you thoughts you can emulate is somehow town.

I think dann is still very probably town despite a slight unease around his dunn flip flop. I doubt anything that will happen without a flip bus going to change my read on you or dann unless you were to legit scumslip which let’s face it, won’t happen

He says as he just flip flopped off the dunn wagon

I mean if we're talking about flipping for info I'm somewhat interested in Jake given that slot has been the top wagon all day

^^^^^^^^^^^^

I mean if we're talking about flipping for info I'm somewhat interested in Jake given that slot has been the top wagon all day

Okay but counterpoint

I think hiraki will flip scum and I don’t think Jake will

Like hiraki is the most productive slot to flip who I actively think will flip scum

There's nothing productive to flip from hikari. People voting him are mad that he's abrasive and doesnt want to join in the massive kumbaya nightmare this game has been, and can't distinguish between that and scumplay.
There's like... A solid 2% chance Hikari flips scum.

[dramonic]

and scum is just lightly positioning around them.

wonder whom

your broader thoughts would actually be welcome, rather than this empty aside.

also re: Jake

I just noticed he isn't voting a counter wagon despite being the top wagon himself. maybe his strategy is just to look town and hope the pressure evaporates, but the lack of any counter push at all from him is curious

I agree with this. This is why I pressured him on picking someone to focus on rather than saying "someone on my wagon is BAD!" He was unable to do that.

Wouldn’t a strong counter be more survivalist ic at this point? I’m not sure what point the two of you are making — sure it’s interesting, but how are you taking that?

Not following.

me implying that Jakes lack of a push/joining the larger counterwagon could be viewed as Townie. I’m pretty content that I’m not voting that slot today.

Why would he? I'm pretty sure he can see his wagon is stalled and this town is idiotic enough to hang themselves if he doesn't do anything.

[teacher]

Dram who are your four scum at this point?

[Hiraki]

your broader thoughts would actually be welcome, rather than this empty aside.

Menalque

me implying that Jakes lack of a push/joining the larger counterwagon could be viewed as Townie. I’m pretty content that I’m not voting that slot today.

I'm not gonna force you but I don't see the argument for that. We're starting to go into "well this

could

be townie" territory. I'd like to think that a townie would be a bit more agile if they're able to write so much. I could be assuming too much there myself. But either way, I've thought what you're putting down - just think that there's a higher probability of scum rather than the townie thinking. Plausible but not very reasonable to me.

Why would he? I'm pretty sure he can see his wagon is stalled and this town is idiotic enough to hang themselves if he doesn't do anything.

I actually don't agree with this. I smell newbiescum who doesn't know what to do. That's why we've got the multiple "oh wow, my predecessor DID suck" points.

[teacher]

There’s also angleshooty reasons I’m disinclined to vote the Jake slot today. That’s all I can or will say on the matter to try to abide the rules.

Do you have any scumreads other than menalque? And has the Menalque read changed from the overreaction (which I think I finally understand, on the 82nd read )

[Hiraki]

Do you have any scumreads other than menalque?

Jake

I'm pretty null with everyone else other than Dann, yourself, Dram, Gamma, and Testa (TR).

I would still like to hear more from Dunn/Gypyx. Mara is a solid null read. There are times where I've said it's a TR and others where I wanted to vote and I don't really have a grasp atm. I'm not good at reading A50 so I'm gonna leave that at a null too.

And has the Menalque read changed from the overreaction (which I think I finally understand, on the 82nd read )

yeah but it hasn't gone up, if that's what you're asking. if you're asking if there's more fuel, sure. is it fuel that i want to burn right now? no - i enjoy my brain cells and i understand that he's not dying today so it's not worth my time

[dramonic]

Dram who are your four scum at this point?

Menalque Jake Bell Dann.
The latter two are flexible, but I am REALLY not feeling this whole "let's lynch a lurker instead of scumreads!" charade.

I'm solidly town on Hikari and gamma
somewhat town on testa

There are other players in this game.

[Hiraki]

my list forgot bell because i definitely wrote this down and then deleted it because i hated the phrasing and i think it's weird but w/e

i also have been paranoid reading bell but mostly because of umlaut rather than bell

i almost never read umlaut correctly when i have scum pings on him (which i did) i actually issue town points but now he's not here so bell has all of this "town" credit which he hasn't done a lot with other than hiraki bad

[dramonic]

yeah but it hasn't gone up, if that's what you're asking. if you're asking if there's more fuel, sure. is it fuel that i want to burn right now? no - i enjoy my brain cells and i understand that he's not dying today so it's not worth my time

For the same reason Jake isn't dying right now I'd wager. They're both excellent wagons, clogged by people screaming "Well my grandma's sister's cat's third niece played a game where Menalque posted, so I think he's town here"

[Bell]

i’m hearing you complaining about cliques here draconic.
Is that a correct interpretation.

[Bell]

I’m seeing a pattern of you trying to break up any consolidation of town reads.

[Bell]

I’m seeing a back and forth romance between hiraki and dramonic. That is frankly kind of townie. Because, not really seeing much in the way of manipulation of trust.

Nah, both jake and hiraki are high info elims, but the goal is to hit scum this round. Being subjective and biased about it isn’t doing it for me.

[Jake The Wolfie]

"To answer why I haven't voted on any counter wagon: I see no reason to. The day is young, and time is plentiful, even if some will have theirs violently stolen from them. I would rather be certain about my vote being on an evil than needing to protect myself from death. Of course, this will change if time gets

cut

short."

Jake's eyes flashed red for a split-second.

"For the time being, I'm abstaining my vote."