Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Bell]

Oh, at least this one realizes he’s being impulsive.

[Bell]

Still townie impulsive on second look. But maybe conf bias.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Jake yawned

"You truly do write between the lines, then proclaim what you wrote is mine."

[Bell]

Jake, I need help.
Do you mean hiraki is projecting?

[Menalque]

Menalque I don’t think I’ve seen you be this petulant before? Waaaa, I can’t get my preferred lynch through so I’m not going to play seriously? Get over yourself.

I err, feel like you forgot that this game existed when you were writing this

(That was harsher than I wanted, I apologize. I appreciated that you were willing to work with me a bit on Dunn and what you’ve done so far. But I think the false urgency to eliminate halfway through the phase, with a replacement for an empty slot pending, and then throwing a tantrum when you don’t get it is ... not ideal.

and I mean, it's fine? it was a slightly abrasive phrasing but I'm a big boy. like, here's the thing:

I feel like I'm the person most actively playing the game by like, quite a wide margin, but I'm getting very little play on what I want despite expressing a greater level of confidence in it than I normally would. that's like, not motivating for me, and doesn't make me feel like I want to keep tryharding or trying to move the game along? because either (1) I'm town reading scum in which case, hey, c'est la vie, it's one of those games and I'm just ass backwards or (2) I'm scum reading scum but my TRs don't want to actually test whether I'm correct by putting them on the chopping block

to expand a little: I think that if hiraki and dram are both town there's like a fundamental disconnect in how they're approaching the game that's not going to be reconciled without flips on one side of that, maybe without flips on both. I'm not particularly interested in trying in a game where two people who I know (if town) are straight up wrong are feeling like calling me scum with a stupid level of confidence while I literally *know* that they're wrong. and so like I don't think we're ever getting to a point of working together now because I think their approach to the game is fundamentally not one of working together. and that can be okay if you have like super accurate reads, but they don't, and they're not interested in correcting that.

I feel like I'm not expressing myself that well but I cba to edit for clarity

[Menalque]

oh and like, it's not fake urgency, it's literally that I think waiting until deadline is scumsiding and that there's de facto nothing to be gained from it

and yet towns continue to run games to deadline over and over and over again

[Bell]

Or that he’s misrepping you?

Pedit: I suspect this is true where they’re very independent. I do think honest communication might be able to reconcile players reads on one another and lead to more accurate reads though. But this probably requires someone to hit the reset button in a way that I don’t know how to do

[Menalque]

ehh like I just don't really care at this point

let's flip Jake and see if dram and hiraki can walk the walk on at least one of their top two scumreads

[Bell]

No.
I’m not particularly interested in altering their level of credibility in a game where people are wrong pretty often.
If draconic is not delusional, he’s just using rhetoric to control the game in the way he wants it to move by acting more confident than he really is.

I want to be right.

[Menalque]

if Jake flips scum: I get killed tomorrow and am freed from this game and Dramonic and hiraki look really dumb for calling me scum and I get to crow about how if town they were totally wrong and if scum that I called their bullshit early game and then was promptly ignored by all the actual townies

if Jake flips town: I get what I want tomorrow when hiraki gets flipped

[Bell]

I’m not saying there isn’t an initial feeling of annoyance when I read his posts similarly to when I read hiraki,
But I don’t want that to alter the trajectory of my votes because I don’t like how they write.

[Bell]

Maybe hiraki or draconic will get shot and you won’t have to worry about it.

[Menalque]

lol I'm not that lucky

[Bell]

Clidd was. Heh.

[Menalque]

in any world where hiraki and dram are town scum never kill them because it means that this conflict continues into D2 or D3 or whenever until people finally get on board with guillotining one of them or with guillotining me

[Bell]

Yeah, but skitter literally had the entire town as scum and the scum as town and she still got shot.

[Bell]

You’re prob not wrong, but I could see draconic since nobody is really scum reading him.

[Almost50]

Hiraki is scum or hiraki is not scum

The gamestate looks very different depending on which one of those is true

The only way to find out is flipping him and seeing what colour shows, so can we get to the doing that please instead of this endless back and forth in a no-info gamestate?

Good idea, but before we put it into practice I'd request that you elaborate on how it will affest your oen reads in each case. Like, who would suspect more if Hiraki flips green/red and who will be conf-town to you in both cases?

[dramonic]

Ignoring the wall of AtE

Maybe hiraki or draconic will get shot and you won’t have to worry about it.

lol I'm not that lucky

You don't have to be lucky, you choose where that bullet goes mate.

[dramonic]

@bell: my username is dramonic, not draconic.
I'm not a wyrm

[Bell]

Been phone posting entirely in San Francisco. So autocorrect is having its way.

[Menalque]

Ignoring the wall of AtE

Maybe hiraki or draconic will get shot and you won’t have to worry about it.

lol I'm not that lucky

You don't have to be lucky, you choose where that bullet goes mate.

it's like, posts like these are exactly why I don't think I'll ever be able to work with Dramonic

[Almost50]

Mark my words: nothing more meaningful than what we already have will happen in the remaining days until deadline. All the additional days will lead to is additional posting that will make the signal harder to find for all the noise

Spoiler:

[Menalque]

Good idea, but before we put it into practice I'd request that you elaborate on how it will affest your oen reads in each case. Like, who would suspect more if Hiraki flips green/red and who will be conf-town to you in both cases?

err if hiraki flips scum then I just wanna proceed with flipping through my pool which would then be like (gamma, you, gypx!slot, Dunn) maybe mara as well depending on what dann has to say there

if hiraki is green then like, (you, gypx, dunn) are all still probably in my PoE. gamma is maybe less likely? mara probably goes in, dram comes down quite a bit. bell probably goes down a bit, Jake goes down

like if all of (me, teacher, dann, hiraki, dram) are town and fighting with one another then I think scum are probably all the passive slots, maybe 1 person trying to worm their way in to have an influence on what's happening

[Jake The Wolfie]

"To answer why I haven't voted on any counter wagon: I see no reason to. The day is young, and time is plentiful, even if some will have theirs violently stolen from them. I would rather be certain about my vote being on an evil than needing to protect myself from death. Of course, this will change if time gets

cut

short."

Jake's eyes flashed red for a split-second.

"For the time being, I'm abstaining my vote."

i'd also like to say for the record that it would totally make sense for jake to act stupidly villainous as scum. esp this red eye nonsense

Jake summoned a paper with Hiraki's quote on it.

"This is what I meant."