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[Andresvmb]

Like what game are you fucking reading?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Andres is sounding desperate now.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll be honest - mechanics are the ONLY thing that have me excluding VPB right now from the Pool. Because his push of Billy + Snow/Bob has been so blatant and consistent, and obviously horribly wrong, that you HAVE to question the slot. I get that I deserve just as much criticism, because I was clearly also wrong about both slots (though my antipathy towards Billy came a bit later in the game and in relationship to Bob), but if you’re seriously going to argue that I was the main person pushing Bob, you are so clearly mistaken it’s painful. The evidence is all right there in front of your face.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I haven't heard one person agree with you.

[Andresvmb]

Andres is sounding desperate now.

So you’re not even going to bother refuting what I’m saying? I’m just desperate?

[VP Baltar]

Like what game are you fucking reading?

I try to warn y'all about arguing with NPOM.

He's not completely wrong in the point he's making though, which is that you weren't a minor player in that wagon. I think both you and I pushed hard on that. I even went as far as saying I'd go 1v1 on it (though I figured I'd get NKed anyhow, so who cares). I think it's a little silly that you're trying to paint me as the like main reason Bob ate rope when you definitely helped (as did many other players).

[Andresvmb]

Like what game are you fucking reading?

I try to warn y'all about arguing with NPOM.

He's not completely wrong in the point he's making though, which is that you weren't a minor player in that wagon. I think both you and I pushed hard on that. I even went as far as saying I'd go 1v1 on it (though I figured I'd get NKed anyhow, so who cares). I think it's a little silly that you're trying to paint me as the like main reason Bob ate rope when you definitely helped (as did many other players).

This is an obvious misrepresentation of my position. When did I say I had nothing to do with the Bob flip? Or that I never pushed the slot or wasn’t responsible? Where? Did I say that?

[VP Baltar]

I get that I deserve just as much criticism

I don't think you do actually

[Andresvmb]

What I clearly said is that NPOM seems to be believe that I was the main and only driver behind the Bob flip, and that you came “at the last minute”. And c’mon now, that’s absurd.

[Andresvmb]

I get that I deserve just as much criticism

I don't think you do actually

That seems to be your perception, and it’s not founded on anything I’ve said as far as I’m concerned.

[VP Baltar]

Like what game are you fucking reading?

I try to warn y'all about arguing with NPOM.

He's not completely wrong in the point he's making though, which is that you weren't a minor player in that wagon. I think both you and I pushed hard on that. I even went as far as saying I'd go 1v1 on it (though I figured I'd get NKed anyhow, so who cares). I think it's a little silly that you're trying to paint me as the like main reason Bob ate rope when you definitely helped (as did many other players).

This is an obvious misrepresentation of my position. When did I say I had nothing to do with the Bob flip? Or that I never pushed the slot or wasn’t responsible? Where? Did I say that?

The impression I'm getting is you've made several comments about how my push on snowblaze was scummy while adding qualifiers to your own involvement.

Now you're throwing Billy in there who I didn't seriously scumread since like mid-D1. I mean, it doesn't look like I'm the one misrepresenting here.

[VP Baltar]

What I clearly said is that NPOM seems to be believe that I was the main and only driver behind the Bob flip, and that you came “at the last minute”. And c’mon now, that’s absurd.

And this is different from his play the rest of the game?

[Andresvmb]

Like what game are you fucking reading?

I try to warn y'all about arguing with NPOM.

He's not completely wrong in the point he's making though, which is that you weren't a minor player in that wagon. I think both you and I pushed hard on that. I even went as far as saying I'd go 1v1 on it (though I figured I'd get NKed anyhow, so who cares). I think it's a little silly that you're trying to paint me as the like main reason Bob ate rope when you definitely helped (as did many other players).

This is an obvious misrepresentation of my position. When did I say I had nothing to do with the Bob flip? Or that I never pushed the slot or wasn’t responsible? Where? Did I say that?

The impression I'm getting is you've made several comments about how my push on snowblaze was scummy while adding qualifiers to your own involvement.

Now you're throwing Billy in there who I didn't seriously scumread since like mid-D1. I mean, it doesn't look like I'm the one misrepresenting here.

Yes, you’re right that you downplayed your SR of Billy as the game progressed. That’s easily observable. But how much is related to the fact that Billy was identified as the Tracker I don’t know. And just think about that for a minute. Why am I loudly involving Billy as the Scum before the end of D2 if I know the slot is the Tracker and is not going to flip? What incentive do I have to do that? Make myself look even worse?

[Andresvmb]

What I clearly said is that NPOM seems to be believe that I was the main and only driver behind the Bob flip, and that you came “at the last minute”. And c’mon now, that’s absurd.

And this is different from his play the rest of the game?

It doesn’t make it any less annoying or bad.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway I think I’m really tired of arguing this point. I have explained how I see the game. I don’t want to crowd out other voices completely. I need to take a step back from this anyway.

[VP Baltar]

Like what game are you fucking reading?

I try to warn y'all about arguing with NPOM.

He's not completely wrong in the point he's making though, which is that you weren't a minor player in that wagon. I think both you and I pushed hard on that. I even went as far as saying I'd go 1v1 on it (though I figured I'd get NKed anyhow, so who cares). I think it's a little silly that you're trying to paint me as the like main reason Bob ate rope when you definitely helped (as did many other players).

This is an obvious misrepresentation of my position. When did I say I had nothing to do with the Bob flip? Or that I never pushed the slot or wasn’t responsible? Where? Did I say that?

The impression I'm getting is you've made several comments about how my push on snowblaze was scummy while adding qualifiers to your own involvement.

Now you're throwing Billy in there who I didn't seriously scumread since like mid-D1. I mean, it doesn't look like I'm the one misrepresenting here.

Yes, you’re right that you downplayed your SR of Billy as the game progressed. That’s easily observable. But how much is related to the fact that Billy was identified as the Tracker I don’t know. And just think about that for a minute. Why am I loudly involving Billy as the Scum before the end of D2 if I know the slot is the Tracker and is not going to flip? What incentive do I have to do that? Make myself look even worse?

This is dumb play. if I was scum and knew Billy was a tracker, you better believe I'd be doing everything in my power to run him up and force a claim. Let's say hypothetically that Billy was scum rolecopped N1. My goal as scum D2 would be to force him to claim and out other masons if I knew he was a mason tracker. Why would I back off? You run him up and try to force town into as bad of a position as possible.

BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS

And that's because:

1) I backed off him D1. There was no way scum!VP would have known Billy was a tracker at that point.

and

2) You're suggesting that scum have a role cop and a PT cop vs. 3 town masons, one of whom is a tracker.


None of what you're saying is making any sense and it seems like you're trying to bullshit your way into a yeet on whatever you can get.

[Andresvmb]

I don’t have any sense for game balance. I have said this already. So I’m not establishing my pool for today based on speculation about the potential roles in the game.

And running up a player that you already know the Role for seems kind of dumb, but feel free to argue whatever you want. It’s almost as if you are arguing that Scum can do all these things and never attract any suspicion from them.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway the point wasn’t even specifically about Billy. The point was primarily about Bob, and how NPOM is obviously wrong and not reading the game. And it is true you’re mostly being TR VPB not because of the content of your posts, but mechanics. I’m also not the only person to raise the issue of balance. So feel free to paint me as a Lone Wolf here, but I’m clearly not.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't see people lining up to say I'm wrong.

[VP Baltar]

I don't see people lining up to say I'm wrong.

I mean, you are absolutely correct either haha

[VP Baltar]

*aren't

[DkKoba]

gamers?

[DkKoba]

has everyone claimed yet? i wanted to go last bc i do have something important to claim

[VP Baltar]

has everyone claimed yet? i wanted to go last bc i do have something important to claim

I think it has been out there for awhile that if you aren't going to claim VT, then you need to claim. You saying you're going to claim a PR now?

[DkKoba]

has everyone claimed yet? i wanted to go last bc i do have something important to claim

I think it has been out there for awhile that if you aren't going to claim VT, then you need to claim. You saying you're going to claim a PR now?

i would like everyone else to claim Not PR first if they are going to (: