Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Jake The Wolfie]

I don't think you're clear, but I also don't think you're the worst offender, and there are better places for me to be placing my focus. At the very least, I no longer think that your early position in the Mena/Hiraki discussion was scummy.

Well, who are you looking at?

Huh, thanks.
This seems like a real scum hunting perspective to me. I think he believes what he's saying, I don't agree with the tells he's using. If he's trying to hide his partner in that list, I don't see it.
The dramonic read is the worst of the bunch imo and there's nothing like an attempt to understand him in that read. Which could be scum.

You do realize the entire readlist is just people voting him are null to scum, people not voting him are town

I didn't unvote him till after he posted his barely efforty effort post. But yes, I realized this. Though, I feel like lots of players end up with reads lists where everyone giving them a hard time is scum and everyone who isn't, is town.

"Menalque voted me."

[Bell]

....Does that rly count?

[Marashu]

So youre basing "there's a fair chance teacher is scum" on.....what, exactly?

Gut, mostly.

I don't think you're clear, but I also don't think you're the worst offender, and there are better places for me to be placing my focus. At the very least, I no longer think that your early position in the Mena/Hiraki discussion was scummy.

Well, who are you looking at?

I think Jake's a good wagon. Besides that, I spent time looking at Hiraki; that slot's starting to grow on me. I'm also looking at PP and Dunn. I keep looking at teach, but I think it's reaching the point where I need to stop; every time I start to suspect him of something new, I'll check back later and see that I'm being extra paranoid. The latest case was the intent to hammer. I was weirded out by that turn, but just today I noticed that he had stated a SL on that slot slightly earlier.

I seriously keep forgetting that Testarossa is in this game; I don't think I'm giving her slot the attention I should be.

[Bell]

^I like this post.

[Jake The Wolfie]

So youre basing "there's a fair chance teacher is scum" on.....what, exactly?

Gut, mostly.

I don't think you're clear, but I also don't think you're the worst offender, and there are better places for me to be placing my focus. At the very least, I no longer think that your early position in the Mena/Hiraki discussion was scummy.

Well, who are you looking at?

I think Jake's a good wagon. Besides that, I spent time looking at Hiraki; that slot's starting to grow on me. I'm also looking at PP and Dunn. I keep looking at teach, but I think it's reaching the point where I need to stop; every time I start to suspect him of something new, I'll check back later and see that I'm being extra paranoid. The latest case was the intent to hammer. I was weirded out by that turn, but just today I noticed that he had stated a SL on that slot slightly earlier.

I seriously keep forgetting that Testarossa is in this game; I don't think I'm giving her slot the attention I should be.

"Who would you kill immediately, if your kill had no revelation of their purity?"

[Bell]

Newbie question.
Why is it that having somebody claim VT means we have to commit to that elimination? I've always just measured the claim, I actually think fake claims are beneficial towards town in the short term because you get a near guaranteed elimination when someone counters them because nobody counters day 1 as scum.

[Hiraki]

Newbie question.
Why is it that having somebody claim VT means we have to commit to that elimination? I've always just measured the claim, I actually think fake claims are beneficial towards town in the short term because you get a near guaranteed elimination when someone counters them because nobody counters day 1 as scum.

Saving PRs from claiming.

[Menalque]

There’s always a benefit to fake claiming as scum to out a PR if you’re going down but equally a lot of players just don’t like the pressure of 1v1ing a PR or think it won’t be believable and so they claim VT, and then that can work sometimes due to WIFOM due to it being optimal to claim PR

What hiraki said is also valid as to why it’s somewhat +EV to just stick to eliminating that person after they claim VT

I lost a game not too long ago with marashu scum because I thought scum!him would claim PR and wifom’d myself off to flip a VT D1 instead

[Bell]

Thanks.
Anybody interested in wagoning A50 instead of those two?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: A50

[Bell]

VOTE: A50

[dramonic]

It must take a lot of effort to be this antitown

[Bell]

Look, if you want me to sheep you all game, you're going to need to do more than nag.
I was raised by my grandma, I'm an expert at dealing with it.

[TemporalLich]

Testarossa is being replaced.

[TemporalLich]

VC 1.18

Jake The Wolfie (5) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa, Marashu [E-2]

Marashu (3) - teacher, PenguinPower, Menalque
Almost50 (2) - Dannflor, Bell
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie
teacher (1) - Dunnstral

Not voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Menalque is V/LA until August 21st.

[Jake The Wolfie]

It must take a lot of effort to be this antitown

"I am more amused at how there is yet to be a successful counter to the votes on me. I could have very easily have voted Marashu, but I think that Hiraki is undeniably evil."

[Dannflor]

I think that Hiraki is undeniably evil."

if you feel that strongly you should spend some more time expanding on that / trying to convince people

[TemporalLich]

Until a replacement is found, the deadline is frozen at 4 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes.

[dramonic]

It must take a lot of effort to be this antitown

"I am more amused at how there is yet to be a successful counter to the votes on me. I could have very easily have voted Marashu, but I think that Hiraki is undeniably evil."

It's more that your wagon has stalled because ??? And people are throwing votes at everything to see if it can gain traction.
It's incredibly depressing considering at least SOME proportion of the clowns must be town

[Hiraki]

I think that Hiraki is undeniably evil."

if you feel that strongly you should spend some more time expanding on that / trying to convince people

the red eye flash isn't doing it?

[dramonic]

Still amazed that people are actively ignoring how Menalque's read of you mysteriously going from supertown to probscum.
Excellent town play all around this game.

[dramonic]

That was a syntaxic failure but you know what I meant

[Hiraki]

Dunn - I get where you're coming from now. You might be onto something.

[Bell]

Still amazed that people are actively ignoring how Menalque's read of you mysteriously going from supertown to probscum.
Excellent town play all around this game.

Are you talking about/to Hiraki or Jake?
If hiraki he moved from scum to lean scum.
If Jake, then yeah he moved from prob town to lean scum.

Is it scummy for Mena's read to change here?
Why?

[dramonic]

Please don't encourage him

@Bell: show me read progression and we'll talk