Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[Andresvmb]

I also think it’s interesting how hard The Bulge is TR Bellaphant in 811.

[Andresvmb]

Because I’m like a rabid dog when I get unsubstantiated votes/scumreads on me

Yeah but Town wouldn’t care about that. They would just vote wherever they think it’s merited.

[Andresvmb]

Besides Nash not doing or saying anything of note, why is Nash scum?

Andre what is your read of bulge?

You’re right that Nash is null.

I find The Bulge’s hard defense of Bellaphant, and tunnely position towards me, to be a bad sign. Of course, I’m the only person that can confidently say that. But I do think a SR of Bellaphant is warranted, and I’m a bit surprised by the apparent insistence from The Bulge to TR the slot. I would think there would be some paranoia behind that read, or some good reasoning.

[notscience]

I would believe a bella bulge scumteam.

I would also believe a bella Andres scumteam.

[Andresvmb]

A lot of posts have been made since I was asleep

I've done a quick skim. Andres, I think Bulge is pushing you because yesterday you were the other leading wagon. IV flipped town, and you have a high chance of being scum.

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The idea that I am likely to be Scum because I was the alternative wagon D1 is flawed. I put a vote on IV late that day but not super close to deadline, after which IV became very active, posting a lot of content, and making themselves more likely to be read as Town by someone that was reading carefully. However, my vote was simply sitting there since I wasn’t around, and Walter clearly signaled a preference to vote for IV over me. Those two things alone probably meant that IV was the preferred Scum wagon (more obvious Town), while leaving me alive for a mis-execute D2.

I very much agree with notscience that both Scum were probably on the wagon, and I’m finding The Bulge’s hard TR of Bellaphant kind of odd.

[notscience]

Uh, my point was that if you were scum your buddy would try to keep you alive.

Not that there would be two scum on wagon otherwise.

[Andresvmb]

Not even with both flips outside the IV wagon? I mean sure, maybe Scum tried to keep it cool and not be so obvious.

Anyway, I think Bellaphant flips red more often than not, so I’m fine with my vote.

[notscience]

Oh you mean my comment way earlier in the day.

Okay, caught up. Thought you meant my recent post.

[Andresvmb]

I find Bell Towny, and I also agree that shellyc has a lot of that Town energy that is difficult to fake.

Notscience I have you as Town by default, and for some reason I am leaning positively on your discussions about how you coach new Scum players. It’s probably a neat tactic though if you’re doing that as Scum with your buddy in thread.

[notscience]

I’m either super cheeky or super lurkey as scum, typically.

I’m sure you read bulges description of my scum game earlier and it’s a pretty decent marker.

[Andresvmb]

I don’t feel like anything bulge has posted so far has been anything but safe stances

@notscience can you re-read The Bulge and tell me if you think this continues to be a trend in their posts?

[notscience]

When I’m home sure

[Andresvmb]

Why are you presenting wagoning bulge as new when you already were part of his wagon before you unvoted him, voted clarity, hopped off clarity and are now back where you started?

You don't seem to be tr-ing clarity so I'm trying to work out what's new and different..

This is also a particularly defensive post of The Bulge from Bellaphant right after a vote from Ouroel/shellyc.

[The Bulge]

No matter which way I look at it, the last few pages have seen a whole lot of towning it up. If andre is town, does scum benefit in this position from doing anything rather than keeping up appearances? If andre is scum, does anything need to be done besides let him defend himself? bella is sliding toward my townlean side with basically every post and I think bell comes out of these last few pages looking good as well. I want to say the same for iv but I still really have no idea how to interpret his tone and thus don't think I should be letting high activity dictate my read of his slot.

my vote stays on walter but I'll be around today with an eye on andre's wagon

The Bulge, you said this yesterday about my slot, yet you seem almost determined to yeet me today. Is there any reason for the sudden switch, outside of me simply being the alternative wagon to a Town flip? What odds do you assign that Scum are happy with how things are going, in light of the fact that they were confident enough to switch over to the wagon I started?

I'm not sure if you are misunderstanding me or otherwise misrepresenting what I'm saying, but I said very little about your slot in that post.

[The Bulge]

also where is this hard TR you mentioned 3 times in 8 minutes? "nah she town" is hardly that, and 859 is pretty clearly seeking further discussion/clarification (which I haven't gotten yet hi notty)

[The Bulge]

Why are you presenting wagoning bulge as new when you already were part of his wagon before you unvoted him, voted clarity, hopped off clarity and are now back where you started?

You don't seem to be tr-ing clarity so I'm trying to work out what's new and different..

This is also a particularly defensive post of The Bulge from Bellaphant right after a vote from Ouroel/shellyc.

cherry pick some more, or you may find it helpful to read posts within context of the game. this makes no sense considering the timing and content of my lil spat with bella d1

[The Bulge]

andre if you ask nicely i'm sure someone will pass you the straws

[Bell]

I find Andre very Wafflely today.

[Bell]

I find Bell Towny, and I also agree that shellyc has a lot of that Town energy that is difficult to fake.

Notscience I have you as Town by default, and for some reason I am leaning positively on your discussions about how you coach new Scum players. It’s probably a neat tactic though if you’re doing that as Scum with your buddy in thread.

It is not difficult for to fake town energy. It's called enthusiasm and not everyone has enthusiasm for both roles but given Shelly says she's better as scum than town I would think her being enthusiastic would be a null or even a scummy tell for her.

You're throwing shade while simultaneously town reading people.
If you're defaulting on NS and think I and shelly are town then you think Belle, Bulge or/and Nash is the scum team. Why vote Nash instead of one of the other two?

[Bell]

More I think on it the less sense it makes. By default you think Bulge or Belle are the scum and are actively scum reading them, but then you vote a null read.

[shellyc]

I also think it’s interesting how hard The Bulge is TR Bellaphant in 811.

I find that odd as well. I don't know why Bella would be TR here; they are my biggest scumread. Consider this a pseudo-vote on them. I will wait for a roleclaim though.

[shellyc]

The idea that I am likely to be Scum because I was the alternative wagon D1 is flawed. I put a vote on IV late that day but not super close to deadline, after which IV became very active, posting a lot of content, and making themselves more likely to be read as Town by someone that was reading carefully. However, my vote was simply sitting there since I wasn’t around, and Walter clearly signaled a preference to vote for IV over me. Those two things alone probably meant that IV was the preferred Scum wagon (more obvious Town), while leaving me alive for a mis-execute D2.

I am not a logically inclined person - I prefer to make reads off behaviourally. However, I do see correctness in your logic that scum left you alive for today's miselim.

[shellyc]

It is not difficult for to fake town energy. It's called enthusiasm and not everyone has enthusiasm for both roles but given Shelly says she's better as scum than town I would think her being enthusiastic would be a null or even a scummy tell for her.

So me seeming town - is a scumread? Not making logical sense here. I seek clarification on "fake town energy".

My read on Andres continuedly is null. If Bella is red Andres would be up in the town category as they were the scum-push target

[Bell]

Oh, never mind. I missed 5 posts of andre's that see him auto correct.

[shellyc]

My read on Bulge is continuedly null, a bit leaning scum imo. Being defensive and not inclining strongly either way is a scumtell to me. However they weren't on that IV wagon... I need a rethink on this slot. They are competent and I am sure this is within Bulge's scumrange.