Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[Bell]

A lot of players prefer playing as mafia or town, but not both equally. Often times you see a distinct difference in the frequency of posts depending on which alignment they are that correlates with whichever alignment they prefer.

I'm saying that you having townie energy is just another way of saying "This person seems enthusiastic, most people are right handed (prefer being town) so ShellyC must be right handed as well." But since you said you are a better scum player I would associate that with a preference to play as mafia. So your enthusiasm is a null or scum tell.

Do you like playing town or mafia more?

[shellyc]

My lynchpool today is Bella/Bulge/Andres. Bell has a townie mindset to me. I am leaning NS town - they are being protown and actively scumhunting. I hope the Nash replacement gives me a better insight on the slot.

[shellyc]

A lot of players prefer playing as mafia or town, but not both equally. Often times you see a distinct difference in the frequency of posts depending on which alignment they are that correlates with whichever alignment they prefer.

I'm saying that you having townie energy is just another way of saying "This person seems enthusiastic, most people are right handed (prefer being town) so ShellyC must be right handed as well." But since you said you are a better scum player I would associate that with a preference to play as mafia. So your enthusiasm is a null or scum tell.

Do you like playing town or mafia more?

I like playing mafia more. I like being the informed minority.
Yes, I am enthusiastic about this game... which doesn't mean I am scum because I like being scum. I am enthusiastic about this game because I'm excited to jump into my second game of forum mafia as a townie.

[Bell]

Sure, I can see you being enthusiastic as either alignment. Based on what you're saying. This is merely a null tell for you. That is, as either alignment when you start new things in a game that you enjoy, you appear enthusiastic.
I'm saying simply that it doesn't mean you're town.

[notscience]

I didn't look in context but we had (Bella, IV, Andres, Walter)

IV was a common read

Andres was a common read

I feel like bella wasnt as common a read but hes since changed his tune to hard townread her today when it seems like shes had a lot of suspicion.

Walter wasnt really a common read I dont think

[Bell]

By the end, IV, I and you strongly implied we were town reading walter.

[Bell]

It's interesting how Belle didn't like either wagon to my knowledge.

[Bell]

But then again she was kind of crazy enough to think Walter wagon could happen. at deadline. So eh.

[notscience]

The two of them were together on an early wagon (I think it was Andres? Walter? I was just looking but I forgot)

And Bulge was off Bella before she became a popular scumread as well.

[Bell]

There's something to be said for players that were universally town read for no reason or had few players suspecting them.
For example Ourael and Nash were not pushed much if at all that entire day. It could be that one of them was the partner to a more active mafia.

[Bell]

Won't know until we flip mafia though.

[notscience]

Yup.

I don't want to clown you or shelly I don't think.

I am waiting for Nash's replacement to see what they do.

[Bell]

I esp. like IV/Nash/Walter. Their reads are nice and shows a level of information expected from town. Like they don't have weird insider information or anything like that.

Changed my mind on Shelly, probably town.

[Bell]

Woops, I was regoing over Ourael's post and I guess that came along for the ride.

[Bell]

Scum team is probably Bellephant and Andre.
With Bulge and Nash being place holders for the rest.

Goal now is to figure out which of Bulge/Nash is town
and eliminate to victory from here I guess.

[shellyc]

Changed my mind on Shelly, probably town.

Didn't you put me as null? What makes you change my mind on me?

[shellyc]

I am waiting for Nash's replacement to see what they do.

Me too. I can't read Nash here - they are lurking and that's making them unreadable.

[Bell]

Ourael's posting was quite townie on second look.

[shellyc]

Well, which parts of his posting were townie? IMO he's wuite unreadable

[shellyc]

*quite unreadable.

Also I feel the scumteam appears within Andres/Bella/Bulge/Nash. You and NS are my pretty solid townreads. All depends if Nash's replacement displays town-ness.

[Bell]

I esp. like IV/Nash/Walter. Their reads are nice and shows a level of information expected from town. Like they don't have weird insider information or anything like that.

On the other hand, there are some like Bellaphant who would casually waste precious day wagon time by unvoting. By unvoting, you are wasting your precious 7 day since you aren't wagoning, and thus interrogating someone.

I'm leaning towards Clarity/Bellaphant or maybe Clarity/Bulge mafia, mainly because both Bulge and Bellaphant are both low-analysis players but Clarity is just outright no-analysis.

I am less engaged than I should be: our and IV are just the types of posters I find hard to engage with.

A little too underengaged honestly. I too find IV/Nash especially hard to make judgements on, but I still at least try to.

but ns's reaction to me and convo with the bulge on this page (considering the last interaction they had where na thought tb was scum, and I've missed what changed)

You completely missed Bulge's conspicuous lack of engagement on his first post-wagon post?

we are all experienced enough to understand that activity and forming semi coherent reads “advances the game” and looks good so it feels like scum!us should be able to do that too and have at least as much incentive to do so

It's a lot harder to fake advance game as scum than it is to do so as town. Mainly because you have more information.

Town can literally say whatever the hell they want and it will feel genuine.

Alr, here's my "normal game town isn't stupid" reads:

IV: leaning scum
NS: leaning town
Bulge: leaning scum
Clarity: neutral
Nash: leaning scum
Walter: leaning scum
AndresVmb: leaning scum
Bellaphant: leaning scum

and here is my "this is a regular game of town of salem" reads:

Maf are Nash/Clarity

Game throwers who just made their free salem account are IV/Bulge/Bellaphant

Good town is notscience

Dumb town is literally everyone else

Reasoning: Nash/Clarity are basically how I would play if I was a mafia player in Town of Salem. Being the only competent town players in the game, period.

IV/Bulge/Bellaphant are absolutely notorious for having ultra-low information density in their posts. IV is especially notorious for that.

notscience is SE and my instincts would tell me that she isn't actually maf.

rest of you act like those town people who wagon then guilty someone the moment you hear "I AM SHERIFF X IS MAFIA!!!!!!!!!"

The real problem is that my reads have a 40% chance to be wrong due to this low-information space that is known as a D1 newbie game. I'm thinking we should wagon Bulge or something
VOTE: bulge

a wagon is a wagon, and this entire town feels super scum to me. 7 days on the clock so might as well do a good wagon

NS, can you tell me the difference between your towngame and scumgame?

Ask bulge he’s one of those people that usually reads me pretty well

Typically activity levels and engagement. My only game since I’ve been back was picking a fight with kuribo.

Honestly, if you look at Bulge and look at his posts, you get the impression that he isn't really making an attempt to sus out maf. As of now, he has posted one-liners and jokes, and had not went all-out on the investigations.

We literally have 10 pages of posts and you are telling me that an SE can't find enough evidence to get someone?

I would have expected notscience's level of activity from you, honestly.

-Knowing that activity/engagement is a general towntell and thing you lack is one thing. ACTUALLY fixing it and ACTUALLY generating content quickly, coherently, and genuinely engaging based on that self-reflection knowledge is hard; harder for some than others. Like I know this is one thing that my scumgame lacks a lot (I also just suck at scum), but it doesn't mean that scum!me can just deliver the same confidence and "say whatever's on my mind" verbiage as town!me.
-So this is why I was curious of this and I don't think it's a bad question. If NS is sick enough to be aware of this meta AND bridge it effectively then that tells me a lot, and it also tells me a lot if he's like me and can't. Obviously Clarity hasn't flipped yet but let's just say she flipped scum; I think Nash's "theory" about scum!Clarity knowing about this activity/engagement towntell but actually finding it very difficult to genuinely interact shows parallels to what we're talking about.

That...actually explains a lot. Like why half your posts are weirdly laid back.

[Bell]

What happened here I think is that my first impression of his posts bled into later posts and I did not read with the recognition that these points had insight and thoughtfulness.

[Bell]

Please pause the deadline while we search for rep.
V/la belle + replacement makes the game very difficult to be played

[beeboy]

PlusJOYED replaces Nash.

[beeboy]

Day 2, VC 3

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Bellaphant (2) -

notscience, Andresvmb

Andresvmb (2) -

The Bulge, Bell

Not Voting (3) -

Nash, Bellaphant, shellyc

Mod Note: Bellaphant is vla until sunday.

Deadline: (expired on 2020-08-29 01:10:00)