Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[PlusJOYED]

Hi everyone. Will be catching up on posts this weekend.

[notscience]

Hey new guy- what’s your experience level with the game?

[PlusJOYED]

I played 2 larger games on a minecraft forum about 6 years back. One I was lynched midgame as cult leader, and another lynched as jester. I've played town of salem off and on for about 6 years; my guess is most newbies probably come from there.
Waiting until I catch up to vote anyone, but for now what my thoughts are, given new players, and what I'm looking for:
-VT's would either be disinterested and bored, and participate very little, or push other players hard since they have less to lose if targeted.
-Mafia would participate in the discussion somewhat, or be rather active at least a little bit; maybe not leading entirely since that would be suspicious if they stayed alive that long. I don't think they would lurk or post a lot; they'd probably wanna meet somewhere in the middle.
-Townies with night actions / special abilities, if I were one, would probably lurk pretty hard to avoid attention and not get targeted by the mafia.

[PlusJOYED]

From first 15 pages:
NS - scum - participates actively without leading totally, agree with what they say
IV - town, VT - self hammering feels like a VT move in a game without jest, very brazen
Nash - myself
andre - scum: strikes me as more inexperienced but heavy lurks. could be wrong since he might have just been away and posted a good amount later on
the bulge - town PR, trying to lay low seemingly. If I were maf i'd kill him n1
bella - idk yet
walter - idk yet
clarity - idk yet
our - idk yet

[shellyc]

-VT's would either be disinterested and bored, and participate very little, or push other players hard since they have less to lose if targeted.
-Mafia would participate in the discussion somewhat, or be rather active at least a little bit; maybe not leading entirely since that would be suspicious if they stayed alive that long. I don't think they would lurk or post a lot; they'd probably wanna meet somewhere in the middle.
-Townies with night actions / special abilities, if I were one, would probably lurk pretty hard to avoid attention and not get targeted by the mafia.

Your description of mafia / VT / PR is pretty much on spot. I feel like it's copied from the wiki or something.

[Bell]

VOTE: PlusJoyed
Sorry, I think you replaced into a scum slot.

Your mistake:
Writing out a criteria to follow when reading players because you're, without a criteria, lost because you're scum.

[Bell]

Wagon him. Imo.

[notscience]

You’re scumreading me because I’m active but not leading and you agree with me?

[shellyc]

Writing out a criteria to follow when reading players because you're, without a criteria, lost because you're scum.

Can you explain this Bell? I don't really understand the problem with writing a criteria. Could you phrase it better or something?

[Bell]

Imagine you're mafia.
How do you hunt for scum when you know who the scum are?
By making a list of things you'd find scummy and then applying it to the playerlist. This way you can fake a perspective of scum hunting.

This is one way to fake a town perspective when you don't have one.

[shellyc]

Imagine you're mafia.
How do you hunt for scum when you know who the scum are?
By making a list of things you'd find scummy and then applying it to the playerlist. This way you can fake a perspective of scum hunting.

Well, town can do that too. I use a lot of scumtells from the wiki. But i do agree that this way of scumhunting is easily faked.

[Bell]

Yes, but do you tell everyone what your scum tells are before you start scum hunting?

[Bell]

I could be wrong, but I actually don't think I am.

[shellyc]

Yes, but do you tell everyone what your scum tells are before you start scum hunting?

I do not. I see what point you are making.

[notscience]

Bulge I miss you what do you think of the replacement

[The Bulge]

I don't think much yet, still haven't reread Nash. I think Bell is jumping the gun a little, although i think i see what he's doing unless he's not

[The Bulge]

hard townread her today

[The Bulge]

what ever happened to the andre wagon btw? (open q)

obviously the open q isn't working, interested in hearing a pov from BELL and BELLA specifically

[Bell]

Well, tbf, I wasn't feeling it when he changed course yesterday at E-1. I think I just always get cold feet unless I have something that strongly convinces me they're scum.
That rarely happens D1.

[Bell]

I almost always coach my scum reads when they're at L-1 hoping against hope they try hard to show they're town.

Sometimes it works and I love when that happens.
Most times it doesn't.

[Bell]

He didn't try hard, to be clear I just didn't like it and then I was forced to choose at the end there. It was dumb of me to entirely rely on another player's meta read when IV scum made little sense to me. I tried for Nash when I got cold feet, then andre again but then, yeah.

[Bell]

I don't think much yet, still haven't reread Nash. I think Bell is jumping the gun a little, although i think i see what he's doing unless he's not

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B.

Go read Nash, he wasn't exactly shakesphere.

[PlusJOYED]

You’re scumreading me because I’m active but not leading and you agree with me?

Poor choice of words on my part. I have a scumread on you since you play maf how I would play maf; you make good points (from the first 15 pages I read), but don't really push or dominate the discussion, fitting my criteria I posted very well. So right now, I'm leaning towards voting notscience, but I'll refrain since I need to read pages 16-37.

Also, since I know my own role, I'm not gonna pay attention to Nash's posts very much.

[Bell]

Why did you post your criteria? @PlusJOYED?

[notscience]

It sounds like you’re voting me entirely based on playstyle, frankly.