Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[teacher]

bad penguin

[Bell]

Dramonic is my second strongest TR after Mena still.
It's hard for me to think he was acting when dumping that huge case on Haven in front of me with obvious exasperation.

pedit: Okay.

[PenguinPower]

Ooh...tomorrow will be fun.

[Chemist1422]

Chemist slot is bad unless he does the Chemist thing for redemption.

That should be apparent to several of you.

ill try my best

tomorrow though it's late rn

[Bell]

Second time I feel like these posts are out of time with one another.

The other was dramonic and the replace in post where he commented the replacement was fast.

[Chemist1422]

random question before i actually sleep

bell I know someone who uses the same avatar as you is that person you

[Bell]

No. I'm not an alt. I played here with 2 other accounts 6 years ago.

[PenguinPower]

No. I'm not an alt. I played here with 2 other accounts 6 years ago.

tbf...if you played here previously and are on a different account - you are an alt.

[Bell]

Ehh, if I can't access those accounts, am I an alt? I didn't play mafia except irl 3 times between 6 years and now.
Neither account has this avatar though and he rolled in feb 15, 2019

[Bell]

You're a mod so you'd know I suppose. Apologies for not registering correctly.

[PenguinPower]

I won’t comment beyond what I said, and it’s not relevant to this game, so moving on.

[dramonic]

@Bell: Temporal edited the OP before posting that you replaced in. Why I was looking at the OP in those 5 minute I don't remember tho.

[Hiraki]

Chemist slot is bad unless he does the Chemist thing for redemption.

That should be apparent to several of you.

what if i told you i've SR that slot the entire game

"Ah yes, use two different quotes from two distinctly different times, where I ordered my reads and determined Mr. Hiraki to be vote worthy to throw suspicion on me. How fun."

here, ill bite

you can now only use posts from me between that time to establish your read

have fun

[RCEnigma]

Chemist slot is bad unless he does the Chemist thing for redemption.

That should be apparent to several of you.

Chemist do the thing.

[RCEnigma]

@Bell: Temporal edited the OP before posting that you replaced in. Why I was looking at the OP in those 5 minute I don't remember tho.

Interesting actually.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Hiraki & Teacher

Won't count but I'll vote on whichever catches first.

[RCEnigma]

Dramonic is my second strongest TR after Mena still.
It's hard for me to think he was acting when dumping that huge case on Haven in front of me with obvious exasperation.

pedit: Okay.

I have an inverse read on Dramonic/teacher where I agree with where dramonic is landing but not the arguments. On the other hand Teacher has semi logical arguments I can follow along with but they aren't leading where they should, so I guess I'd describe his process as incomplete and empty.

[Jake The Wolfie]

"Ah yes, use two different quotes from two distinctly different times, where I ordered my reads and determined Mr. Hiraki to be vote worthy to throw suspicion on me. How fun."

here, ill bite

you can now only use posts from me between that time to establish your read

have fun

"I don't try to intentionally partake in excercises in futility."

[TemporalLich]

VC 1.21

Jake The Wolfie (4) - dramonic, Hiraki, Marashu, Almost50 [E-3]
Almost50 (3) - Dannflor, Bell, teacher
Marashu (1) - Chemist1422
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie
teacher (1) - Dunnstral
Chemist1422 (1) - PenguinPower

Not voting: RCEnigma

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 deadline is currently frozen at 4 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes until replacements are found.

Hiraki & Teacher is not a valid vote as it is not clear which player Hiraki & Teacher corresponds to.

[Hiraki]

"Ah yes, use two different quotes from two distinctly different times, where I ordered my reads and determined Mr. Hiraki to be vote worthy to throw suspicion on me. How fun."

here, ill bite

you can now only use posts from me between that time to establish your read

have fun

"I don't try to intentionally partake in excercises in futility."

good, continue to be useless

[Marashu]

Re: game state - Scum may be happy, but they may also be waiting for the other team to make a move? Also, there was a pretty big change in the sudden wagon to A50 (which I don't really understand - @Bell, you gave your reasons earlier. Did the conversation between Mena and A50 shape any of that, or is that an independent read?)

After this build-up, I'm hoping the "Chemist thing" lives up to its hype.

[RCEnigma]

Hiraki & Teacher is not a valid vote as it is not clear which player Hiraki & Teacher corresponds to.

Bleh. VOTE: Teacher

Let me get a shotgun readslist Teacher.

[teacher]

I did one not that long ago. Don’t think it’s changed. Good to know you’ve iso Ed me before your vote. Remember the last time you repped in w me?

[Dannflor]

Menalque/Chemist

is still town and I'm likely not reconsidering that slot unless I have to at some point. I don't think Menalque loses his cool

in the way he did

this game if he's scum. It didn't benefit him or improve his image with the majority of the playerlist and it wasn't aimed towards a particular agenda of bussing a partner or swinging an elimination somewhere. I don't think Menalque tries as many times as he did to good faith sort/engage Hiraki and Dramonic as he did as scum. It's a much easier path for Menalque to simply paint the uncooperativeness of both those slots as scummy and push that. Instead, Menalque reevaluated both slots up until right before he got replaced. I can't say too much more I haven't already said here.

I'm confused what PP found problematic about this slot? If it was Chemist's entrance I'm interested in that. But unless Chemist takes a severe downturn I'm just not gonna worry about this slot.

I think

Bell

deserves an upper echelon town read as well. He's probably the slot that has most tried to solve / get a better grasp on / activate the game in some way the last several days as the game state as ground to a halt. I don't think his admittedly weak stance on Jake is beneficial for scum!Bell regardless of Jake's alignment. I also think Bell's progression on my slot was realistic and genuine. The initial vote on me I particularly liked because he vocalized something about my posting that every now and then a townie in one of my games latches onto and tunnels me for. Bell cleared the bar of genuinely evaluating my slot when he 180'd, and I like how since then he has been most interested in building a genuine counter wagon to Jake that he believes in.

There's a lot more I could say about this slot and a lot of gut town pings from his posting, but I don't think this take should actually be too unpopular so I won't waste more time on it unless I have to.

Dramonic

is a slightly less confident read than the above two, but I think a lot of his posting doesn't make sense from a scum perspective. There's diminishing returns when it comes to "replicating your abrasive playstyle as scum so people town read you." He's so insistent on certain reads that I think a scum player would have slipped into not holding them as infallible at some point. There's an odd post here and there (like where Dramonic tells PP to read the game) that really feel closer to Dramonic being a town player who just cares a lot about this game over scum who is trying to look town by shouting loud enough. I've struggled to get here because I haven't really gotten along with Dramonic, but I think he matches his town meta more closely than his scum meta as well, and I went over that in another post here.

Unfortunately, that's all I have for strong town reads, which feels pretty bad for a game of this length.

Hiraki and Teacher are the two slots I feel like I should be town reading right now, but I'm not, and that worries me.

I'll continue this later today

[Dannflor]

Oh I might actually think Almost50 is town too?