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Official Vote Count 3.08

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Elimination

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate someone.

Andresvmb

(1): Alduskkel

Testarossa

(3): VP Baltar, DkKoba, NoPowerOverMe

Alduskkel

(3): Andresvmb, Iconeum, Testarossa

Not Voting

(2): hellbooks, Datisi

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-24 22:40:00).

Mod notes:

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[VP Baltar]

Deadline: 2 days, 11 hours, 49 minutes.

Hellbrooks and Datisi, we don't have a lot of time left. If there is a good Aldus case, please make it. Convince me if that's the right move (or elsewhere if you think that's better). I think I've outlined some clear points for Tess, and as far as I can tell, this wagon is people you both mostly consider town.

[Datisi]

the more the day is going the more i'm growing uncertain about koba, thanks for asking

[Testarossa]

Idk. That's a very scummy mindset though isn't it? Scum are the ones that benefit from letting a town elim go through with no real counter. I'm not saying I would expect Tess to White Knight Bob, but to not push an alternative you think was better? I have hard time getting into that mindset from a town perspective

I mean I get why you think so, however that's just looking at it from one side. It might look weird as town, but wouldn't it look also pretty weird as scum?

There would be no need to get doubts on NPOM. If he is town just vote, it was clear that bob would go through anyway by the last time I was around on D2. Either bob goes down and I was on the counterwagon, which I could line up as next mis-exe (it's not that hard with NPOM), or NPOM eats rope before bob, then it's one townie less and most of the bobwagon would probably be after him on D3 again.

If NPOM would be my partner, even better. Would have been a good timing for a good bus to distance, even if bob would have voted there bob would still most likely have ended up as exe. Would even have had an opening to come up with a turnaround of my read on Billy and follow him on the NPOM wagon.

Like there would have been more than enough better possibilities for me to play that out as scum.

[Testarossa]

@Aldus:
I figure you were still scumreading me throughout the game also on D2, yes? I take that by you asking Koba why they came (for whatever reasons) around townreading me for D2 that you had a different opinion.

Why were you never pushing for me or trying to interact with me on D2? I mean you were scumreading me on D1 and pushed for me. Yet once janko flipped town, who was the counterwagon to my wagon (together with revival of bobwagon, whom you thought to be town) there never really came much from you regarding me on D2. I think if you were genuinely scumreading me the outcome of D1 should have made you particular suspicious about me as I was even one of the earlier votes on the jankowagon.

[VP Baltar]

the more the day is going the more i'm growing uncertain about koba, thanks for asking

I can understand that. I guess what I'm looking for is more communication so the town bloc can arrive at a consensus.

[Datisi]

i am *asking* for more communication

all i'm getting is "if i'm not obvtown to you you're scummy" and "i will deadass self/quit from mafia/delete my account if this person flips green" (which btw, i've heard koba say before, and it *does not* strike confidence that their read is now correct)

[Datisi]

i don't think there is a way in hell town wins this game if this gets down it 7p lylo. i think the plan in that case is then going to be that me and hellbooks pick executions and i don't wanna do that...

sigh.

~*intent to vote aldus*~

i'm always paranoid about E-1s (case in point yesterday) so idk. i don't think i'm voting elsewhere at this point.

[DkKoba]

i am *asking* for more communication

all i'm getting is "if i'm not obvtown to you you're scummy" and "i will deadass self/quit from mafia/delete my account if this person flips green" (which btw, i've heard koba say before, and it *does not* strike confidence that their read is now correct)

Im sorry im super confident on 1 slot rn and its hard to sort the others???

[Datisi]

okay, cool.
(1) do the goddamn towncase from where it should be super fucking obvious that you're blatantly town
(2) give your scumcase of testa and why you're suddenly shifted there when you were deadset on aldus/andres and were doubing who si the third

like i don't think i'm asking too much here?????

[VP Baltar]

Koba, if you're town, do the work here.

[VP Baltar]

Datisi, can you explain the succinct Aldus case though. You seem to be playing a lot on gut and that does concern me.

[DkKoba]

Where's your towncase on ico?

[DkKoba]

ico started acting weird so i am paranoid

[Datisi]

is there any particular reason why you're deflecting right now?

[VP Baltar]

Hey Andres, what do you think of Tess' progression on Billy?

I’ll look into this tonight.

You probably got busy, but I still would like this when you have a moment

[Datisi]

Datisi, can you explain the succinct Aldus case though. You seem to be playing a lot on gut and that does concern me.

what do you mean by concern you btw? i'm assuming it's not concerning you about my alignment...

i dunno. he's always kinda ~in the background~, reads/positioning on wagons looks convenient, the bob!town/npom!scum post i spoke so much about, and the PoE is getting kinda tight and he's not exactly on top?

[hellbooks]

i already called out testa d1 and we shoulda gone there right away and its sad we went with janko vs bob

werent you trying to get a flashwagon on npom

I don’t know that I’m willing to die on this rock, but if I am right about something for once (Testarossa being Town), it’ll be a good feeling. And if I’m wrong, then we’ve got Scum so it’s almost a win/win. The downside of course is that I’m probably getting killed tomorrow if Testa flips Scum and I wasn’t on the wagon, but that’s just how it goes sometimes.

this is funny and also kind of towny just a little bit though

aldus or npow

i'll compromise vote testa but i think aldus is still the better flip

i have to admit that koba is by far the longshot in that team

aldus koba has rising partner equity

Plus, Tess D2 goes from bloodlust for Billy to like a null read on him. That also fits with this theory that scum rolecopped Billy N1

good point

something is telling me "that hammer on bob was absolute trash but it's town trash" and uuuuugh

i think the hammer was fine but it could be scum fine. lol

[VP Baltar]

Datisi, can you explain the succinct Aldus case though. You seem to be playing a lot on gut and that does concern me.

what do you mean by concern you btw? i'm assuming it's not concerning you about my alignment...

i dunno. he's always kinda ~in the background~, reads/positioning on wagons looks convenient, the bob!town/npom!scum post i spoke so much about, and the PoE is getting kinda tight and he's not exactly on top?

No, not concerned about your alignment at all.

It's more that I see this game as being entirely in your hands. I trust you, but there is a lot riding on a gut call.

I can maybe see where you are coming from on the convenient call of Bob town. We don't know NPOM's alignment, so that's a bit of speculating. And the PoE is what it is, that applies to all the non confirmed towns.

From my perspective, it feels thinner than the points against Tess. Does that make sense?

[hellbooks]

Hellbrooks and Datisi, we don't have a lot of time left. If there is a good Aldus case, please make it. Convince me if that's the right move (or elsewhere if you think that's better). I think I've outlined some clear points for Tess, and as far as I can tell, this wagon is people you both mostly consider town.

yeah. ok. i am going to vote in a block with datisi here but i think i'm happy to trust the tess voters at this point. in particular there are a couple things here: aldus not voting the counterwagon for one, being offended at datisi calling the hammer town trash, i think those things could be towny

[hellbooks]

what's testa's read progression on aldus -- let me look at that

[hellbooks]

seems like she's been consistently scumreading him without actually slapping down a vote there for a while

[hellbooks]

in fact aldusk has been in practically every poe pool that testa has advanced (of which there have been quite a few this game)

[Datisi]

It's more that I see this game as being entirely in your hands. I trust you, but there is a lot riding on a gut call.

i know, i know, i don't particularly enjoy this position either. but historically, i've so many times had Correct gut reads, which i then ended up logicing out of and being stupid. and it's like, i guess being right about the bob wagon is giving me more willingness to follow gut than it's due. maybe.

[VP Baltar]

It's more that I see this game as being entirely in your hands. I trust you, but there is a lot riding on a gut call.

i know, i know, i don't particularly enjoy this position either. but historically, i've so many times had Correct gut reads, which i then ended up logicing out of and being stupid. and it's like, i guess being right about the bob wagon is giving me more willingness to follow gut than it's due. maybe.

I guess that's why I'm trying to come to a consensus with you and hellbrooks on someone the three of us can mostly agree on. I think that's the least likely to miselim.

What about an NPOM yeet?