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[Frogsterking]

The point being really that if it ever comes to a question of whether or not shelly will bus on D1 the answer is that she will.

I'm fond of bussing. I guess I am. So you are saying that I may be scum with Redados / Fredrick / rocknil?

yes exactly. that is the main advantage of having the meta from the previous game in my opinion, because it demonstrates u r completely willing to do that.

[shellyc]

Second reframe: Shelly is a high information target for elimination, MagikHorse is not. MagikHorse has done far less interacting with the majority of players, more bouncing off of them than pushing anything too hard. Since Frogster’s MagikHorse vote is in part based on scum-interpreted Shelly interactions, I would recommend her over him.

I am the scum lynchbait. OK I get it we need to eliminate someone. I have been not playing very well this game. I understand the reasons that I may come off as anti town. I will willingly sacrifice myself if you want to get the wagon starting.

Keep in mind I will flip green. I will 100% flip green. If that removes Redados and Italiano's paranoia, feel free to lynch me. If that gives us info, feel free to lynch me.

Remember to analyse my wagon - I am pretty sure scum will be on it. Remember if you eliminate me today and miseliminate tomorrow, it would soon be LimLo (assuming scum get the nightkills in between)

I understand that my death might bring good to the town. I will self vote if you wish.

[Frogsterking]

Second reframe: Shelly is a high information target for elimination, MagikHorse is not. MagikHorse has done far less interacting with the majority of players, more bouncing off of them than pushing anything too hard. Since Frogster’s MagikHorse vote is in part based on scum-interpreted Shelly interactions, I would recommend her over him.

I am the scum lynchbait. OK I get it we need to eliminate someone. I have been not playing very well this game. I understand the reasons that I may come off as anti town. I will willingly sacrifice myself if you want to get the wagon starting.

Keep in mind I will flip green. I will 100% flip green. If that removes Redados and Italiano's paranoia, feel free to lynch me. If that gives us info, feel free to lynch me.

Remember to analyse my wagon - I am pretty sure scum will be on it. Remember if you eliminate me today and miseliminate tomorrow, it would soon be LimLo (assuming scum get the nightkills in between)

I understand that my death might bring good to the town. I will self vote if you wish.

imo u aren't the lynchbait

[shellyc]

If we lim rocknil we get 0 associative tells as they have only townread Mush (which was pretty much universal anyways)

If we lim me you get an abundance of tells and analysis. I guess I will get my own wagon starting. Good luck to y'all tomorrow. My pure town energy will be in the dead thread.

VOTE: shellyc

[shellyc]

imo u aren't the lynchbait

Well, then what am I? I have been scumread by enough people that I have become the lynch target, and I'm sure one of them is probably scum.

[Frogsterking]

well that was unexpected

[Fredrick A Campbell]

When I first entered the game and thought she behaved the scummiest of all the players, I thought her thinking I had a scumread on her was because she simply failed to understand that I didn't necessarily think she was scum. However, as she continued to say that I scumread her from the start despite my many attempts at clarification, I chalked it up to the possibility she really believes that I thought she was scum and retracted it. This belief has been shattered after I see that she could clearly imagine a possibility in which something explicit was not said here. However, within that post in which I said I thought she behaved the scummiest, I made it very clear I made a distinction between behaving the scummiest and likely to be scum and even thought that whoever I thought was behaving the scummiest was irrelevant. Yet, she could not understand it despite my many attempts at clarification. I believe the most likely possibility now is that she has deliberately not understood to continue to scumread me.

[shellyc]

This is for the benefit of town. We don't even have enough active players to flip someone.

I'd rather you flip me.

Well, I really did not comprehend it before. I understand right now that scummiest != being scum.

[Frogsterking]

When I first entered the game and thought she behaved the scummiest of all the players, I thought her thinking I had a scumread on her was because she simply failed to understand that I didn't necessarily think she was scum. However, as she continued to say that I scumread her from the start despite my many attempts at clarification, I chalked it up to the possibility she really believes that I thought she was scum and retracted it. This belief has been shattered after I see that she could clearly imagine a possibility in which something explicit was not said here. However, within that post in which I said I thought she behaved the scummiest, I made it very clear I made a distinction between behaving the scummiest and likely to be scum and even thought that whoever I thought was behaving the scummiest was irrelevant. Yet, she could not understand it despite my many attempts at clarification. I believe the most likely possibility now is that she has deliberately not understood to continue to scumread me.

idk. i am working on a response to your data you posted earlier. it would help if u posted the results of the iso u were reading earlier.

[shellyc]

I will claim now. I'm Vanilla Townie, not a power role. Feel free to wagon this now. To those who don't like day 1, it can be over like, right now.

[Frogsterking]

wow that's harsh for van's slot and i think it will be helpful for town.

[shellyc]

idk. i am working on a response to your data you posted earlier. it would help if u posted the results of the iso u were reading earlier.

I would like to see the ISO results as well. It would help me make my judgement as to who I shall spend my final days focusing at.

[Frogsterking]

wow that's harsh for van's slot and i think it will be helpful for town.

this is a reaction to van's slot being replaced.

[Frogsterking]

idk. i am working on a response to your data you posted earlier. it would help if u posted the results of the iso u were reading earlier.

I would like to see the ISO results as well. It would help me make my judgement as to who I shall spend my final days focusing at.

*passes popcorn to shelly*

[Redados]

Shelly. Unvote. Voting for yourself is anti-town if you are town.

[Redados]

It's pro-town though if you're scum though lol

[Nahdia]

LavarManos replaces van.

[Frogsterking]

Welcome to the town LavarManos

[Redados]

1. Not wanting to be eliminated is NAI. Being defensive =/= not wanting to be eliminated. Nobody wants to be eliminated. Not everyone is defensive when they get one or two votes.

So you concede my second point? One single NAI behaviour = scumread?

My point was "you did x so I scumread you". Your response was "I only did x once". I don't concede your point. One action is NAI, a pattern is a read, like I explained before.

pedit: new guy has a very topical username for world events

[Frogsterking]

i think in link i posted for newbie games the town winrate was supposed to be significantly higher for games where there were three replacements.

[Redados]

Second reframe: Shelly is a high information target for elimination, MagikHorse is not. MagikHorse has done far less interacting with the majority of players, more bouncing off of them than pushing anything too hard. Since Frogster’s MagikHorse vote is in part based on scum-interpreted Shelly interactions, I would recommend her over him.

I am the scum lynchbait. OK I get it we need to eliminate someone. I have been not playing very well this game. I understand the reasons that I may come off as anti town. I will willingly sacrifice myself if you want to get the wagon starting.

Keep in mind I will flip green. I will 100% flip green. If that removes Redados and Italiano's paranoia, feel free to lynch me. If that gives us info, feel free to lynch me.

Remember to analyse my wagon - I am pretty sure scum will be on it. Remember if you eliminate me today and miseliminate tomorrow, it would soon be LimLo (assuming scum get the nightkills in between)

I understand that my death might bring good to the town. I will self vote if you wish.

You flipped at... E-3? That's a little soon. You're not that close to being limmed. I don't know if you're scum but this type of play is not helping the town.

You are not lynchbait. Rocknil is the best case for lynchbait right now, if I'm using that term right.

[LavarManos]

Hi everyone!
I will be rereading as quick as I can, and it seems like the deadline is coming up soon. Are there any immediate questions for me?

[Redados]

LavarManos you replaced Van, so I mostly want to hear what you think of the contents of his one post.

[shellyc]

Shelly. Unvote. Voting for yourself is anti-town if you are town.

So you literally wanted the wagon to go on me... and then criticised me for voting myself?

[shellyc]

I will be rereading as quick as I can, and it seems like the deadline is coming up soon. Are there any immediate questions for me?

Who is in your lynchpool for now? (If you have read the game)