Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[Datisi]

skitt I'm not sure what the point of 3947 is? also can you tell me why you're townreading raven off the last few pages or whatnot because i keep getting the opposite feeling :/

[Raven Branwen]

The case in the post above this literally only makes sense if you've already decided SS is scum

why weren't you on lilith ... ?

the confirmed vanilla?

this answer is weird to me

I don't understand why a BG would guard a vanilla townie - because even if you succeed - you basically traded a bg for a vanilla townie...

also this is exactly what I'm saying there

I’m town, Dats is very likely to be town. Mechwise if you’re scum than this game seems very scumsided but rn, Pooky is looking townier than you but yeah it think it very possible that SS is either your buddy or possibly has a tmi if I’m wrong on on you, so why aren’t you even considering that as a possibility? It sounds like you’ve decided SS is town despite his confirming your role based on mfd mech which really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, so why aren’t you even questioning that?

that's not what I'm doing.. pooky's case on SS only makes sense if he's already decided that SS is scum. I'll accept that maybe that makes sense in a town!Pooky world as well but even that feels like an applied read? Like I think it's really obvious Pooky is driving an agenda

pedit: well like if there isn't a town protective in the setup why would the MFD kill be here? it probably confirms 1+ town in {tw,Pooky} in a more literal sense but like I don't see why I would bat an eyelid at that because it's correct?

Yes, mfd kill does very likely confirm at least ONE of you as TPR but that isn’t what he said. He specifically said that it specifically confirmed YOUR role. Do you not understand why that doesn’t make sense? From hpov why couldn’t scum you and your buddy have planned to work around this? This seems like really bad reasoning from someone who claims to be a mech genius.

[Datisi]

i feel like i could literally copy-paste my pooky wallpost from yesterday only in the context of s_s case

"twisting the knife" when in the literal post before i asked what Micc's post means (because I've never seen a mod literally confirm a player as lying before)

and what was one other point, s_s seemed sure pooky was scum but then said "if pooky flips scum"?? like what

[Raven Branwen]

I was here at D2 EoD, SS wasn’t.

why is who was or wasn't here at EoD2 indicative of alignment in any way?

It often is because it’s strongly town indicative to be online close to deadline and eventhough he claimed to want to kill dsjstr, he said he wasn’t ready to end the day. Does that make any sense to you? And it specifically concerns me because he never voted or checked in during that time. If dsjstr had flipped scum, no I wouldn’t necessarily think that suspicious but how could he not even check into this game when he was posting elsewhere onsite? Yes, I hate to invoke ellitells but if he could post in nsg’s game, why would he not be more concerned about this one? It was near deadline after all and he hadn’t yet voted. It looked as if he was either okay with us no executing or didn’t feel he needed to vote the player he felt made lost sense as the D2 execution.

[Datisi]

except i gave intent like almost 24 hours before day ended no?

[Raven Branwen]

i feel like i could literally copy-paste my pooky wallpost from yesterday only in the context of s_s case

"twisting the knife" when in the literal post before i asked what Micc's post means (because I've never seen a mod literally confirm a player as lying before)

and what was one other point, s_s seemed sure pooky was scum but then said "if pooky flips scum"?? like what

SS claimed that mfd mechanic likely confirmed tw as bg but why hypothetically couldn’t scum!duckling have used mfd mechanic to work around that? It’s his certainty on duckling based off of that that pings me, because he claims to be a mech genius and even those of us who aren’t realize that doesn’t make any sense.

[Datisi]

SS claimed that mfd mechanic likely confirmed tw as bg but why hypothetically

couldn’t scum!duckling have used mfd mechanic to work around that?

??? literally what ???

the idea is that, if duck weren't a town bodyguard, then MFD mechanic wouldn't have a reason to exist
but it obviously exists
therefore duck is town

[Raven Branwen]

except i gave intent like almost 24 hours before day ended no?

He wanted dsjstr to be the kill, he didn’t either vote or check in. Why not is my question? Then his response to my questioning him about that is he wasn’t ready to end the day yet. But it was freaking close to deadline, how does that make any sense to you?

He just doesn’t really seem terribly invested in solving the game as he usually does as town.

[Raven Branwen]

SS claimed that mfd mechanic likely confirmed tw as bg but why hypothetically

couldn’t scum!duckling have used mfd mechanic to work around that?

??? literally what ???

the idea is that, if duck weren't a town bodyguard, then MFD mechanic wouldn't have a reason to exist
but it obviously exists
therefore duck is town

Why could it also not confirm Pooky as a bomb? I’m concerned that you’re so confibiased on Pooky!scum that you’re not even considering that as a possibility.

[Datisi]

Then his response to my questioning him about that is he wasn’t ready to end the day yet. But it was freaking close to deadline, how does that make any sense to you?

could you please quote this interaction? i tried to ctrl+f that in his iso and i can't find it

[Datisi]

Why could it also not confirm Pooky as a bomb? I’m concerned that you’re so confibiased on Pooky!scum that you’re not even considering that as a possibility.

/shrug, you're gonna have to ask s_s that. actually @s_s could you answer this please?

however i don't think s_s's alignment here is really relevant to alignments of pooky/duck? like i've been saying pooky's scum on dayplay. you could twist MFD "confirming" one or the other.

besides, ducky's claim is somehwat confirmed by mine, no?

[Datisi]

*intent to hammer when we like agree to it or whatever i don't know*

i gave intent here, and s_s did check in after that. i really don't get your point about him not voting "at deadline" when there was already intent given?

[Raven Branwen]

Then his response to my questioning him about that is he wasn’t ready to end the day yet. But it was freaking close to deadline, how does that make any sense to you?

could you please quote this interaction? i tried to ctrl+f that in his iso and i can't find it

And dsjtr was never going to vote me. Why did you never vote yesterday or check in with the VC?

I never felt the need to end the day

Wdym "check in"

[Raven Branwen]

Why could it also not confirm Pooky as a bomb? I’m concerned that you’re so confibiased on Pooky!scum that you’re not even considering that as a possibility.

/shrug, you're gonna have to ask s_s that. actually @s_s could you answer this please?

however i don't think s_s's alignment here is really relevant to alignments of pooky/duck? like i've been saying pooky's scum on dayplay. you could twist MFD "confirming" one or the other.

besides, ducky's claim is somehwat confirmed by mine, no?

You mean because he claimed neighbour? Can you find that game he referenced? I’m not saying that mfd kill means duckling is scum, I’m saying that it doesn’t confirm duckling as bg > Pooky and a self-proclaimed mech genius should have realized this. Had dsjstr flipped scum, I’d obviously be a lot less suspicious of that because this game seems too scumsided.

[Raven Branwen]

Ya

Pedit idk
That's why my first thought was Doubt at tw, like why kill me in this way over just letting him die ???

The fact that marking exists in the setup is obviously indicative of a

protective

role though

No because it doesn’t stop the marking. Neither tw’s claim nor Pooky’s have any effect on marking scum.

[Raven Branwen]

@mod, does a hypothetical bomb blow up marking scum or just regular scum? Thanks.

here's the game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81087

MAFIA GOON

Welcome, [player name], you are a 

Mafia Goon

.
Abilities:
- Factional communication: At any time you may talk with your partners HERE
- Mark for Death: Each night phase, you and your partner must select a single target to "mark". The marked player will be publicly be confirmed as marked at the start of the following day, and will die at the same time as the following day's lynch is achieved.

Win Condition:
- You win if at least half of the living players are mafia.

Town Bomb

• Welcome, [Player Name], you are a
  Town Bomb
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  
  
• If you are successfully shot at night (Blank Vig targets don't count), the player to shoot you will also die.
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  
• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.

here's both role PMs

Thanks.

@mod?

If that Mafia Goon targeted that Town Bomb with a Mark For Death, the Town Bomb's ability would not be triggered, so the Mafia Goon would not be killed.

This is why I’m suspicious that someone as good a mech as SS, would not know this. He seemed to know a lot about Pooky’s initial claimed role in that game was a blank vig and was lying, so how would he not realize this?

[Datisi]

You mean because he claimed neighbour? Can you find that game he referenced?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=82512

i mean, it's not about him claiming neighbour, it's about him claiming neighbour wth no neighbour... i'd be lowkey surprised if scum!duck decided to claim something like that? like i dunno. i'm a lover with no lover. it makes sense to me that there's 2 roles who usually come in pairs without a pair.

[Datisi]

i have arguments about the s_s mech thing, but i don't think it's my place to make them. that's probably better discussed once s_s is back from v/la.

[Datisi]

You mean because he claimed neighbour? Can you find that game he referenced?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=82512

i mean, it's not about him claiming neighbour, it's about him claiming neighbour wth no neighbour... i'd be lowkey surprised if scum!duck decided to claim something like that? like i dunno. i'm a lover with no lover. it makes sense to me that there's 2 roles who usually come in pairs without a pair.

to add to this, yeah i do get that there's nothing stopping a "mafia neighbor with no neighbor" from existing, but i kinda? don't know if i see it? because i feel like i'm expected to jump up at a "neighbour with no neighbour" claim and go "me too hey me too!!" and it being mafia-aligned would be... weird??

i get that this is the last game where i should be playing "outguess the mod" but...

[Raven Branwen]

You mean because he claimed neighbour? Can you find that game he referenced?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=82512

i mean, it's not about him claiming neighbour, it's about him claiming neighbour wth no neighbour... i'd be lowkey surprised if scum!duck decided to claim something like that? like i dunno. i'm a lover with no lover. it makes sense to me that there's 2 roles who usually come in pairs without a pair.

Why are there usually 2? Has this been the case in past YoM games?

[Datisi]

i'm saying in "normal" setups: you don't have "a lover", you have (at least) two. you don't have "a neighbor", you have (at least) two. that's why i'm lowkey thinking my role gives some credibility to duck's. because we're both missing someone.

past YoM game didn't have roles like that, no.

[Raven Branwen]

i'm saying in "normal" setups: you don't have "a lover", you have (at least) two. you don't have "a neighbor", you have (at least) two. that's why i'm lowkey thinking my role gives some credibility to duck's. because we're both missing someone.

past YoM game didn't have roles like that, no.

I think he is likely a neighbourless neighour so could be?

[Raven Branwen]

nomnomnom, Mafia Neighbor, lynched Day 1
Luca Blight, Town Macho Neapolitan, killed Night 1
Chemist1422, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2
Captain the Furret, Town Bodyguard Neighbor, killed Night 2
Quagsire, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 3
GeorgeBailey, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 3
Alduskkel, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 4
Looker, Vanilla Townie, killed in the Endgame

In this setup, was the town bg neighbour in a hood with the mafia neighbour? I’m assuming yes?

[Datisi]

i'm saying in "normal" setups: you don't have "a lover", you have (at least) two. you don't have "a neighbor", you have (at least) two. that's why i'm lowkey thinking my role gives some credibility to duck's. because we're both missing someone.

past YoM game didn't have roles like that, no.

I think he is likely a neighbourless neighour so could be?

that's what i'm saying? i think he's town?

In this setup, was the town bg neighbour in a hood with the mafia neighbour? I’m assuming yes?

snce that game was a Normal, yeah.

[Micc]

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